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And when did that become the government's concern?
Bruce |
Originally Posted by alexmt
(Post 22090201)
Since none of those things have legal penalties affecting freedom of movement, no.
Last I checked, the terms of carriage on any commercial plane ticket are clear that they are NOT transferrable to another person. http://www.state.sc.us/dss/csed/enforce.htm Those COC statements are there purely for the airline's bottom line and have NOTHING to do with preventing terrorism. |
Originally Posted by alexmt
(Post 22090201)
Last I checked, the terms of carriage on any commercial plane ticket are clear that they are NOT transferrable to another person.
What does any of this have to do with the TSA? |
Originally Posted by alexmt
(Post 22090201)
Since none of those things have legal penalties affecting freedom of movement, no.
Last I checked, the terms of carriage on any commercial plane ticket are clear that they are NOT transferrable to another person. And if you don't ask for ID or other proof from an under-18 child, you have no idea if he/she is the individual named on the BP. That's a double risk: they may be traveling under a 'transferred' ticket and they aren't subject to the more stringent screening protocols adults are. FWIW, I want to reiterate that no one is more cringing and obedient and obsequious than I am at a checkpoint. All "yessir, yes ma'am", avoid eye contact, quiet voice, immediate compliance, when a TDC said "you don't look very cheerful today" I immediately drummed up a smile to avoid trouble, even when I was catching a flight to a hospital death bed', when one snatched my BP/ID back and said 'what do you say now?', I dutifully answered 'thank you, sir'. If they demand that I sing my name three times, clap my hands and touch my toes, I do it. |
Originally Posted by bdschobel
(Post 22090224)
And when did that become the government's concern?
Bruce |
Originally Posted by alexmt
(Post 22090302)
My understanding is that the TSA is funded by airlines, thus it's also serving as an inspection point for the airlines.
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Originally Posted by FredAnderssen
(Post 22090106)
Easily occur? Wow, we've named two scenarios which have the probability of occurring exactly how often? One time in a million? And how much manpower have we wasted harassing innocent passengers just to catch a twin sneaking in on his brother's ticket?
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Originally Posted by alexmt
(Post 22090302)
My understanding is that the TSA is funded by airlines, thus it's also serving as an inspection point for the airlines.
Further, why should TSA function as an inspection point for the airlines? Why should I, a private citizen, subsidize the airlines' revenue enforcement policies with my tax dollars? |
Originally Posted by alexmt
(Post 22090302)
My understanding is that the TSA is funded by airlines, thus it's also serving as an inspection point for the airlines.
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In addition to the (numerous, excellent) points made by jkhuggins and WillCAD in post #172 and #173, the name game also gives TSA employees an (additional :rolleyes:) opportunity to harrass non-English speakers. :td:
Airport security in other countries does not require passengers to say their name (or even, in many countries, to show an ID) and so the demand at a US airport comes unexpectedly for a foreign visitor. The passenger may reply with "What?" or "Excuse me?" or "I don't understand" in their own language, rather than saying their name. And then there's going to be a time-wasting argument.
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 22087950)
My last name can be and is pronounced at least 5 different ways. Unless one's last name is Smith or Jones or some other common name, there are different ways to pronounce hundreds of surnames. Do you really expect a document-checking screener to know the correct pronunciation of Kovačević or Djurhuus or Koskinen? These are all common surnames in their "countries of origin."
A TDC will never know if I'm stating my name correctly or not. Many Gaelic, Scottish or English names are also counterintuitive. I can easily imagine the TDC thinking they've made the "big catch" because the ID says "Niamh Featherstonhaugh" and the person says "neeve fan-shaw". To TSA, the foreign visitors or people with difficult names are only a minority (and suspicious anyway) and so the inconvenience to them can be ignored. But Niamh and St John Dalziel, and Siobhan Cholmondeley have to put up with this idiotic process every time they fly. |
Refused to say my name, got through anyway
When I travel in Australia I don't have to show my ID, say my name, NOR show my boarding pass to get through security. How many terror attacks have occurred in an Aussie airport? Or Aussie soil for that matter?
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Originally Posted by Ghadji1
(Post 22091760)
When I travel in Australia I don't have to show my ID, say my name, NOR show my boarding pass to get through security. How many terror attacks have occurred in an Aussie airport? Or Aussie soil for that matter?
The most intense human interaction in the entire airport process is the Qantas Club attendant checking my membership card. :D And I can do it with my shoes on, and with 7 kilograms of water, wine, shampoo, snow globes or cupcakes in my carry-on. ^^ There are some small airports in Australia which have no security checks. Passengers arriving from such ports at, say, SYD, go through security on arrival before entering the terminal. (But I am disappointed that Australian int'l airports have been infested with the NoS, which appears to be a gesture to the Americans.) |
Originally Posted by bdschobel
(Post 22087864)
Are you serious? Teenagers don't train for their mission. Sometimes they arrive at the bar already drunk. The stakes are much lower for a teenager who gets caught. What, the bar refuses to serve him? The terrorist may go to Guantanamo for the rest of his life. There is simply no comparison between these two types of people. And you should know that. :(
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Originally Posted by alexmt
(Post 22090302)
My understanding is that the TSA is funded by airlines, thus it's also serving as an inspection point for the airlines.
Bruce |
Originally Posted by bdschobel
(Post 22093439)
Your understanding of so many things is so wrong! You write like an adult -- that's a compliment -- but I'm going to repeat another poster's question: "How old are you?" Your naivete about how the world works is child-like.
Bruce |
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