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GUWonder Mar 30, 2014 9:40 am


Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost (Post 22606356)
I got to play the game for the first time at LHR with ICTS last week. They didn't appreciate my responses, although they did get very excited when I said "Ukraine" to the 'where have you been question.' I then explained that I'd been there ~3 years ago and proceeded to list half a dozen other countries I'd been to. They eventually gave up. Although they did make me show my boarding pass to five people in the space of ~10 metres. Y'know, just in case it changed or something. Utter morons, just like TSA. The only positive was that it reminded me why I should remember to avoid LHR.

ICTS and other US airline "security" contractor employees give me looks when I ask them if they are from a particular place, and do so based on their accent in English and perhaps a few other factors. :D I have had to put up with them for years, mostly in Europe and South America, because flying US carriers has been the biggest part of my travel picture.

I love the looks a relative gets when he says he doesn't really know the proper way to pronounce his name. :D. And then there are the relatives who have names that are different based on various cultural and legal factors and so the name they tell someone could be anything but an "exact match" to what is on a boarding pass or one government-issued photo ID.

Schmurrr Mar 30, 2014 10:09 am

AUS specifically asked for first AND last name today.

FliesWay2Much Mar 30, 2014 1:51 pm


Originally Posted by Schmurrr (Post 22615399)
AUS specifically asked for first AND last name today.

Just curious how (or if) you answered.

tanja Mar 30, 2014 2:15 pm

My first name on my passport is my first middel name. My secound name is my second middle name. Mt thrid name is my FIRST LEGAL name that I have always been told/addressed to. Legal papers and so on for 60 YEARS.

I have been told if I do give my first middle name. Then I will committ fraud since I have never used it . So go figure.:confused:

Mats Mar 30, 2014 2:30 pm

I really just want to say, "Oh, it's spelled out for you in green letters on the digital display in front of you. Here; I'll show you. Maybe it will save you some time."

When waiting in line at the checkpoint here at SEA, I can see everyone's name and flight number. So I could tell the TSA my name, as well as the names of everyone in front of me in line.

Fortunately, SEA does not (yet) play the name game.

tanja Mar 30, 2014 2:38 pm

I have lived in USA legally for 20 years. I will never change my name to something else. Not even my middle name. They could not even find me on my middle name.

Schmurrr Mar 30, 2014 4:09 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 22616513)
Just curious how (or if) you answered.

I asked why. She said it was a policy. I said it was a senseless policy. She said I would have to leave if I didn't say my name. I reached over and pointed it out on the boarding pass as I said it. Then I said I would fill out a comment card to document the ridiculousness of this TSA policy.

Afterwards, I walked through security (non-Pre) with my shoes on. I'd forgotten to take them off (as I posted in the NOS opt-out thread), but I think it serves to show that TSA is focusing on so many trivial and pointless things that they can't manage the workload they've created for themselves.

cynicAAl Mar 30, 2014 8:43 pm


Originally Posted by Schmurrr (Post 22617240)
I asked why. She said it was a policy.

yes, TSA has a magical policy that their employees ask you to state your name (in some locations). There is no requirement or law that you must answer them. Their job is to match the name on your ID and your BP. That's all. If the ID checker is unclear on their role, I find that asking for their supervisor will clear up the problem quickly.

GrumpyYoungMan Apr 18, 2014 5:04 am


Originally Posted by Schmurrr (Post 22615399)
AUS specifically asked for first AND last name today.

Same question at AUS this morning. I told her she could find them on my documents. Was told to step aside, and I waited about 10 minutes for a supervisor. Same question from her, same answer from me. Eventually made it through, no worse for the wear.

knotyeagle Apr 18, 2014 7:21 am


Originally Posted by GrumpyYoungMan (Post 22723603)
Same question at AUS this morning. I told her she could find them on my documents. Was told to step aside, and I waited about 10 minutes for a supervisor. Same question from her, same answer from me. Eventually made it through, no worse for the wear.

Using your camera to record intimidates them even more. I usually start off by explaining that since TSA screeners are not required to have a high school GED (they can substitute for one year of work experience) I'm happy to show them how to spell & pronounce my name.

Always video/photograph, they back down very quickly.

SFOffjunkie Apr 29, 2014 12:53 pm

At AUS this morning, I was expecting TSA to ask me to "state your name." I had a spare 10-15 minutes before boarding, so I was prepared to decline, ask for a supervisor if necessary, etc.

Instead, she asked me to "verify your first and last name." For some reason, I found myself automatically complying. Sorry, guys!

I must have been distracted by the sniffer dog who was checking everyone in line.

petaluma1 Apr 29, 2014 1:46 pm


Originally Posted by SFOffjunkie (Post 22780856)
At AUS this morning, I was expecting TSA to ask me to "state your name." I had a spare 10-15 minutes before boarding, so I was prepared to decline, ask for a supervisor if necessary, etc.

Instead, she asked me to "verify your first and last name." For some reason, I found myself automatically complying. Sorry, guys!

I must have been distracted by the sniffer dog who was checking everyone in line.

Perhaps they have changed tactics but now you're prepared should it happen again. Ask to see the ID the clerk is holding so that you can verify that it is yours.

InkUnderNails Apr 29, 2014 5:46 pm

After stretching my neck to get a peek at the BP: "Yep, that's mine."

I have a thing about trying to answer questions exactly as asked. Occasionally it is infuriating. I recently got a time share call. First question: "Are you single or married?" "Yes."

After three tries, THEY hung up on me.

Psychocadet Jul 5, 2014 5:34 am


Originally Posted by Chrisinhouston (Post 16855156)
1. Approach the TDC and give them your "official" ID and BP. Politely refuse to speak your name out loud and if the say they have to ask, acknowledge this and state that you have "a Constitutional right to remain silent under the 5th Amendment and the Supreme Court Ruling- Miranda v. Arizona

The 5th amendment and Miranda are totally irrelevant in this circumstance. Please note I teach constitutional law and am an attorney with an expertise in criminal constitutional procedure.

I'm not trying to be nasty but if you understand the 5th amendment and Miranda, then you won't think it applies either.

WillCAD Jul 5, 2014 10:08 am


Originally Posted by Psychocadet (Post 23146497)
The 5th amendment and Miranda are totally irrelevant in this circumstance. Please note I teach constitutional law and am an attorney with an expertise in criminal constitutional procedure.

I'm not trying to be nasty but if you understand the 5th amendment and Miranda, then you won't think it applies either.

1) Why not? Please elaborate.

2) Perhaps you could tell us what part of the Constitution, or what case law, does apply, when government agents attempt to arbitrarily force you to verbally identify yourself and reveal your travel destination even after you've already provided the identifying documents specified in the CFR, and if you refuse to comply, they not only threaten to deny your Constitutionally protected freedom of movement, but threaten to have you arrested and/or removed from the airport by the police?

And this is just about the Name Game. The Enhanced Chat-Down policy wherein the TDC actually quizzes you on your destination, travel itinerary, intentions, and associations when you arrive, is even worse.


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