TSA behavior detection program
Aug 1, 2011 | 5:44 pm
#106
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No, but in the highly unlikely event somebody were to persue this and they brought six witnesses into court and all said that you had pronounced your name to them the same way and it was different from the way you pronounced it to the TDC, I think it would be hard to find a jury that agreed with your theory above.
Aug 1, 2011 | 5:51 pm
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Apparently my home airport has been chosen to have the honor of being the test subject for this colossal waste of tax money.
http://www.boston.com/Boston/busines...hOP/index.html
http://www.boston.com/Boston/busines...hOP/index.html
Aug 1, 2011 | 6:58 pm
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I'm in and out of there really, really often. They are already doing this -- they suddenly started about two months ago. It was a distinct and annoying new security "feature."
Basically the guy comes up to you and keeps on asking you dumb questions aggressively. OF COURSE you want to ignore the dude. It is infinitely stupid. The questions they ask reflect a collossal lack of intelligence, that any sentient person would roll their eyes, a reaction I'm not convinced is different from a truly suspicious person. The guy asks me if I was on vacation when I'm dressed in a business suit.
Is this to "throw me off guard???"
Here is a description of one of my encounters a week or so ago:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...l#post16803029
Basically the guy comes up to you and keeps on asking you dumb questions aggressively. OF COURSE you want to ignore the dude. It is infinitely stupid. The questions they ask reflect a collossal lack of intelligence, that any sentient person would roll their eyes, a reaction I'm not convinced is different from a truly suspicious person. The guy asks me if I was on vacation when I'm dressed in a business suit.
Is this to "throw me off guard???" Here is a description of one of my encounters a week or so ago:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...l#post16803029
Aug 1, 2011 | 7:09 pm
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I'm really bummed this is happening at my home airport. On the other hand, I look forward to ignoring many a TSAer.
Aug 1, 2011 | 7:20 pm
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http://www.universalhub.com/2011/cou...-you-have-righ
Aug 1, 2011 | 7:29 pm
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Apparently my home airport has been chosen to have the honor of being the test subject for this colossal waste of tax money.
http://www.boston.com/Boston/busines...hOP/index.html
http://www.boston.com/Boston/busines...hOP/index.html
This application by cops of the Massachusetts wiretapping laws is currently being challenged in court --
http://www.universalhub.com/2011/cou...-you-have-righ
http://www.universalhub.com/2011/cou...-you-have-righ
BOS was the pilot of the first behavior detection program. And the "enhanced" patdowns were going on there long before Oct/Nov 2010. And now this.
It disgusts me to see the city that was the cradle of liberty abused this way.
And I hope that idiotic wiretapping law (or interpretation thereof) eventually gets struck down or repealed. Public officials should have no expectation of privacy when performing their duties in a public place, and should have no expectation of privacy against the owner of a house or a car they are in. If most LEOs were truly honest and decent, they would embrace citizen recordings for providing a record.
Aug 1, 2011 | 7:41 pm
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I believe the Glik case hinges in regard to the purported "secretive" nature of the cellphone recording; if you have your cameraphone obviously recording at the checkpoint (and are not 'interfering' with the screening process ) you are all right even in MA.
It might be fun to record the people in front of you as they are chatted up by the BDO. It will pretty much guarantee you the patdown though in my experience. I have been selected 100% for cancer box at BOS in past 3 months. It gives me a nice conversation starter, "did you hear about the cancer cluster that was seen in your airport's TSA agents?"
) you are all right even in MA.It might be fun to record the people in front of you as they are chatted up by the BDO. It will pretty much guarantee you the patdown though in my experience. I have been selected 100% for cancer box at BOS in past 3 months. It gives me a nice conversation starter, "did you hear about the cancer cluster that was seen in your airport's TSA agents?"
Aug 1, 2011 | 7:42 pm
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Aug 1, 2011 | 7:43 pm
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That's why the example I gave had as testimony a number of people saying what answer you gave them when you're asked your name. If you give a different answer to a governmental agent, that's "materially false".
Aug 1, 2011 | 7:59 pm
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Classic is Niki check-in (or baggage drop-off) at VIE:
Me: Hello.
(I present my BP and ID to counter agent)
After 1 minute:
Agent: English or Deutsch?
Me: English
Agent: This is your gate, please, be there at this time.
Me: Sure, bye
And that's it
Aug 1, 2011 | 8:03 pm
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And, as a scientist, I see nothing wrong with the concept of a one-airport test ("pilot") program. Far better to test it at one airport first, and make an honest assessment as to whether or not it makes sense to deploy nationwide.
(Insert your own snide remark about "honest assessment" here.)
Aug 1, 2011 | 8:28 pm
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Big deal. Even if they hadn't announced it, all the FT members at BOS would've reported on it soon enough.
And, as a scientist, I see nothing wrong with the concept of a one-airport test ("pilot") program. Far better to test it at one airport first, and make an honest assessment as to whether or not it makes sense to deploy nationwide.
(Insert your own snide remark about "honest assessment" here.)
And, as a scientist, I see nothing wrong with the concept of a one-airport test ("pilot") program. Far better to test it at one airport first, and make an honest assessment as to whether or not it makes sense to deploy nationwide.
(Insert your own snide remark about "honest assessment" here.)
Is this not the most idiotic idea EVER, even by the TSA?
I'm well versed in science, this is not it.
Aug 1, 2011 | 8:32 pm
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Big deal. Even if they hadn't announced it, all the FT members at BOS would've reported on it soon enough.
And, as a scientist, I see nothing wrong with the concept of a one-airport test ("pilot") program. Far better to test it at one airport first, and make an honest assessment as to whether or not it makes sense to deploy nationwide.
(Insert your own snide remark about "honest assessment" here.)
And, as a scientist, I see nothing wrong with the concept of a one-airport test ("pilot") program. Far better to test it at one airport first, and make an honest assessment as to whether or not it makes sense to deploy nationwide.
(Insert your own snide remark about "honest assessment" here.)
Aug 1, 2011 | 8:41 pm
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Which is why it's best to say nothing. Other than a casual hello if I think the clerk is a decent human being, I refuse to engage in any conversation with TSA clerks. So far I've never been pressured into playing their games.