TSA behavior detection program
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I hear people at BOS arrive at the airport extra early now just to throw rose petals on the floor at their feet while they walk from the airport entrance to the checkpoints.
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Here is an interesting thought. The courts have held up that what the TSA is doing an administrative search. Now I take the word search literally to mean to look, inspect, seek out something physical. To date all of their actions have been towards that.
Now we have administrative interrogations. Which is something completely different. Given that TSA just got spanked for not going through the rule making process on AIT it would seem to me that one could similarly argue that the implementation of administrative interrogations which really changes the screening process would be even better fodder for the courts and rule making, especially if one is being denied access to the sterile area because they refused to answer any of their questions. At least with the AIT one had an option of the patdown.
I should add that if TSA could roll out a program that I thought was truly being implemented with some fore thought I might be more supportive. I have very serious doubts that a week of training is truly sufficient to make someone proficient.
Now we have administrative interrogations. Which is something completely different. Given that TSA just got spanked for not going through the rule making process on AIT it would seem to me that one could similarly argue that the implementation of administrative interrogations which really changes the screening process would be even better fodder for the courts and rule making, especially if one is being denied access to the sterile area because they refused to answer any of their questions. At least with the AIT one had an option of the patdown.
I should add that if TSA could roll out a program that I thought was truly being implemented with some fore thought I might be more supportive. I have very serious doubts that a week of training is truly sufficient to make someone proficient.
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#154
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I simply don't see that happening. Ever.
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"Where are you going?"
My home airport is TLH, and every single flight I have _ever_ taken out of TLH has involved a transfer at either ATL or CLT--a quick check on TLH's online departure board shows, among the next 10 departures (across 6 hours; not a very busy airport), 5 to ATL, 2 each to CLT and TPA, and 1 to DFW.
If a TDC at TLH asks me where I'm going, I'll have no problem telling them where I'm going: "Charlotte!". Just like about one-fifth of all the passengers going through the TDC. :-)
If a TDC at TLH asks me where I'm going, I'll have no problem telling them where I'm going: "Charlotte!". Just like about one-fifth of all the passengers going through the TDC. :-)
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Here is an interesting thought. The courts have held up that what the TSA is doing an administrative search. Now I take the word search literally to mean to look, inspect, seek out something physical. To date all of their actions have been towards that.
Now we have administrative interrogations. Which is something completely different. Given that TSA just got spanked for not going through the rule making process on AIT it would seem to me that one could similarly argue that the implementation of administrative interrogations which really changes the screening process would be even better fodder for the courts and rule making, especially if one is being denied access to the sterile area because they refused to answer any of their questions. At least with the AIT one had an option of the patdown.
I should add that if TSA could roll out a program that I thought was truly being implemented with some fore thought I might be more supportive. I have very serious doubts that a week of training is truly sufficient to make someone proficient.
Now we have administrative interrogations. Which is something completely different. Given that TSA just got spanked for not going through the rule making process on AIT it would seem to me that one could similarly argue that the implementation of administrative interrogations which really changes the screening process would be even better fodder for the courts and rule making, especially if one is being denied access to the sterile area because they refused to answer any of their questions. At least with the AIT one had an option of the patdown.
I should add that if TSA could roll out a program that I thought was truly being implemented with some fore thought I might be more supportive. I have very serious doubts that a week of training is truly sufficient to make someone proficient.
Mike
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I was thinking that, if enough of us annoyed the ID Checker SPOTNik by the various methods we've been writing about, that many, if not all of us will be sent to a retaliatory secondary. The gropings will be done by the same clerks who do the opt-out gropings. This could have a far greater effect than opt-out day when the TSA simply shut down the Cancer Machines.
How about "National Make Fun of The SPOTNik Day?
How about "National Make Fun of The SPOTNik Day?
Bruce
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First, the only reason this program got funding is because they came up with a cool acronym which seems to over-impress a lot of Washington types.
Any reasonably decent profiler is already or will be employed by better agencies like the FBI, CBP proper or even NYPD. A 5-day program is laughable.
Any reasonably decent profiler is already or will be employed by better agencies like the FBI, CBP proper or even NYPD. A 5-day program is laughable.
There is nothing reasonably decent about profiling individuals for criminal activity when a crime has not yet been committed by the hassled individuals, as pretending that mind-reading is a science is indecent to the core and used repeatedly as a cover for all sorts of indecent nonsense.
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As opposed to people wear Blue Shirts and lie to themselves that touching strangers genitals for money is a good and honorable profession.
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Actually, it is a good and honorable profession. Just not the way TSA does it.
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"Uh..."
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"SECONDARY ON LINE 1"
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This is going to be hell for folks that travel on confidential company business (such as investments, M&A, major sales calls) where disclosing your name & company and/or reasons for travel may cause SEC disclosure issues.
In town.
"Do you have a business card"
Yes.
"What were you doing here?"
Confidential company business.
"Sir, if you don't answer, you won't fly today. What were you doing here?"
If I tell you, it may violate SEC laws & regulations and will violate company confidentiality. Are you willing to sign a non-disclosure agreement and be investigated and prosecuted if you disclose insider information?
"Uh..."
"Do you have a business card".
Yes.
"May I see it?"
No, because of what I told you before.
"Where are you going?"
To my congressman's office promptly upon arrival.
"SECONDARY ON LINE 1"
................
This is going to be hell for folks that travel on confidential company business (such as investments, M&A, major sales calls) where disclosing your name & company and/or reasons for travel may cause SEC disclosure issues.


