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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by 4nsicdoc
I love it when the TSOs here start crowing so loudly about how great the TSA is. Every hen in the zip code gets horny.
Didn't you know the attitude toward TSA has changed in the airports?

I hear people at BOS arrive at the airport extra early now just to throw rose petals on the floor at their feet while they walk from the airport entrance to the checkpoints.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by 4nsicdoc
I love it when the TSOs here start crowing so loudly about how great the TSA is.
They're terrified of what'll happen when the TSA is dismantled, as they will have nowhere to go for work - being entirely unqualified for anything else.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 7:48 am
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Here is an interesting thought. The courts have held up that what the TSA is doing an administrative search. Now I take the word search literally to mean to look, inspect, seek out something physical. To date all of their actions have been towards that.

Now we have administrative interrogations. Which is something completely different. Given that TSA just got spanked for not going through the rule making process on AIT it would seem to me that one could similarly argue that the implementation of administrative interrogations which really changes the screening process would be even better fodder for the courts and rule making, especially if one is being denied access to the sterile area because they refused to answer any of their questions. At least with the AIT one had an option of the patdown.

I should add that if TSA could roll out a program that I thought was truly being implemented with some fore thought I might be more supportive. I have very serious doubts that a week of training is truly sufficient to make someone proficient.

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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 8:15 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingUnderTheRadar
I should add that if TSA could roll out a program that I thought was truly being implemented with some fore thought I might be more supportive.
First the TSA would have to hire some personnel who weren't paranoid reactionary panic-monkeys, and had people skills.

I simply don't see that happening. Ever.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 8:52 am
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"Where are you going?"

My home airport is TLH, and every single flight I have _ever_ taken out of TLH has involved a transfer at either ATL or CLT--a quick check on TLH's online departure board shows, among the next 10 departures (across 6 hours; not a very busy airport), 5 to ATL, 2 each to CLT and TPA, and 1 to DFW.

If a TDC at TLH asks me where I'm going, I'll have no problem telling them where I'm going: "Charlotte!". Just like about one-fifth of all the passengers going through the TDC. :-)
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 12:05 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyingUnderTheRadar
Here is an interesting thought. The courts have held up that what the TSA is doing an administrative search. Now I take the word search literally to mean to look, inspect, seek out something physical. To date all of their actions have been towards that.

Now we have administrative interrogations. Which is something completely different. Given that TSA just got spanked for not going through the rule making process on AIT it would seem to me that one could similarly argue that the implementation of administrative interrogations which really changes the screening process would be even better fodder for the courts and rule making, especially if one is being denied access to the sterile area because they refused to answer any of their questions. At least with the AIT one had an option of the patdown.

I should add that if TSA could roll out a program that I thought was truly being implemented with some fore thought I might be more supportive. I have very serious doubts that a week of training is truly sufficient to make someone proficient.
You are clearly overestimating the amount of thought that the TSA put into this program before initiating it. My sincere belief is that TSA "management" decided to implement the idea after someone wrote it on the back of a Chipotle napkin and pinned it to the suggestion board in the break room.

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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 12:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Caradoc
They're terrified of what'll happen when the TSA is dismantled, as they will have nowhere to go for work - being entirely unqualified for anything else.
You hit the nail on the head. It's quite obvious that some are truly concerned about the TSA's future.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 12:13 pm
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Originally Posted by mikeef
someone wrote it on the back of a Chipotle napkin and pinned it to the suggestion board in the break room.

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Taco Bell maybe...........but Chipotle is too high class for TSA, considering that they all came from Mickey D's.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
I was thinking that, if enough of us annoyed the ID Checker SPOTNik by the various methods we've been writing about, that many, if not all of us will be sent to a retaliatory secondary. The gropings will be done by the same clerks who do the opt-out gropings. This could have a far greater effect than opt-out day when the TSA simply shut down the Cancer Machines.

How about "National Make Fun of The SPOTNik Day?
I'm in. Wouldn't miss it! ^^^

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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by bdschobel
I'm in. Wouldn't miss it! ^^^

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I'm in as well.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 12:47 pm
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Originally Posted by rgfloor
Taco Bell maybe...........but Chipotle is too high class for TSA, considering that they all came from Mickey D's.
...when their job applications were rejected.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 4:22 pm
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Originally Posted by boatseller
First, the only reason this program got funding is because they came up with a cool acronym which seems to over-impress a lot of Washington types.

Any reasonably decent profiler is already or will be employed by better agencies like the FBI, CBP proper or even NYPD. A 5-day program is laughable.
Even a 15-day program would be laughable and even more of a waste of resources. Getting lucky a single time after harassing a couple hundred or thousand "innocent" persons -- as is rather routine with such efforts -- is a laughable attempt to justify any such voodoo "security" practice for commercial passenger travel.

There is nothing reasonably decent about profiling individuals for criminal activity when a crime has not yet been committed by the hassled individuals, as pretending that mind-reading is a science is indecent to the core and used repeatedly as a cover for all sorts of indecent nonsense.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Good to see that some here still enjoy lying! ^

I dont think anyone who post here on FT has ever claimed that, excpt you and a few other critics of TSA.
As opposed to people wear Blue Shirts and lie to themselves that touching strangers genitals for money is a good and honorable profession.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 7:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Caradoc
They're terrified of what'll happen when the TSA is dismantled, as they will have nowhere to go for work - being entirely unqualified for anything else.
Not much call for skill sets which include putting lipstick on pigs and picking up turds by the clean end...

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As opposed to people wear Blue Shirts and lie to themselves that touching strangers genitals for money is a good and honorable profession.
Actually, it is a good and honorable profession. Just not the way TSA does it.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 9:29 pm
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