Pat Downs-Breasts question
#61
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Yes it is different.
I walk up to a child or anyone on the street, in a school to take and shake their hand. That is much different than walking up to them and taking their breast or phallic to shake.
Either you know this is true and are being stubbornly obtuse or else you have very serious sociopathic issues.
I walk up to a child or anyone on the street, in a school to take and shake their hand. That is much different than walking up to them and taking their breast or phallic to shake.
Either you know this is true and are being stubbornly obtuse or else you have very serious sociopathic issues.
A male passenger with a huge overhanging stomach is treated the same way.
It is no different than a male with a large belly that hangs over the belt. You all are attaching the sexuality to it. To us it is just a part of the body that needs to be checked.
If you ask the more radical thinkers on here they would have you believe that a terrorist would have breast removal surgery and then implant explosives under the skin.
In reality though the breast can and has been used to hide many things including guns and knives. When they are capable of doing this because of their nature they will be checked further.
It is no different than a male with a large belly that hangs over the belt. You all are attaching the sexuality to it. To us it is just a part of the body that needs to be checked.
If you ask the more radical thinkers on here they would have you believe that a terrorist would have breast removal surgery and then implant explosives under the skin.
In reality though the breast can and has been used to hide many things including guns and knives. When they are capable of doing this because of their nature they will be checked further.
#62
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Yes it is different.
I walk up to a child or anyone on the street, in a school to take and shake their hand. That is much different than walking up to them and taking their breast or phallic to shake.
Either you know this is true and are being stubbornly obtuse or else you have very serious sociopathic issues.
I walk up to a child or anyone on the street, in a school to take and shake their hand. That is much different than walking up to them and taking their breast or phallic to shake.
Either you know this is true and are being stubbornly obtuse or else you have very serious sociopathic issues.
IF you wear a bra, and most women do then you can thank those lovely people that test us EVERYDAY with small items in the bra. An officer has to press hard on that area in order to detect those items. IF they miss it then they get the bad thing on their record. Granted if TSA could use another method to check that area then we would not have to press that hard. But when we are searching for something that can be 1/2 inch long and 3/16 inch wide a lot of pressure has to be placed on the area.
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#63
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But that begs the simple question which everyone conveniently avoids.
The TSA has physically searched..and now is irradiating and/or strip-searching and groping...literally billions of Americans without catching one single terrorist.
I know that, respectfully, this is beyond your pay grade but I've got to ask at what point does this this asinine "security" escalation come to a halt?
The TSA has physically searched..and now is irradiating and/or strip-searching and groping...literally billions of Americans without catching one single terrorist.
I know that, respectfully, this is beyond your pay grade but I've got to ask at what point does this this asinine "security" escalation come to a halt?
#64
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So, what is being done to prevent injury to female screeners (or male, I suppose given other comments on this topic RE: guarantees of same-sex frisks) when the resistance their hand meets actually is a weapon such as a knife? Is there a plan in place to handle the sliced hand of the screener?
#65
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But that begs the simple question which everyone conveniently avoids.
The TSA has physically searched..and now is irradiating and/or strip-searching and groping...literally billions of Americans without catching one single terrorist.
I know that, respectfully, this is beyond your pay grade but I've got to ask at what point does this this asinine "security" escalation come to a halt?
The TSA has physically searched..and now is irradiating and/or strip-searching and groping...literally billions of Americans without catching one single terrorist.
I know that, respectfully, this is beyond your pay grade but I've got to ask at what point does this this asinine "security" escalation come to a halt?
So, what is being done to prevent injury to female screeners (or male, I suppose given other comments on this topic RE: guarantees of same-sex frisks) when the resistance their hand meets actually is a weapon such as a knife? Is there a plan in place to handle the sliced hand of the screener?
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#66
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Although this might do wonders for the obesity levels in the US.
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#68
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So, what is being done to prevent injury to female screeners (or male, I suppose given other comments on this topic RE: guarantees of same-sex frisks) when the resistance their hand meets actually is a weapon such as a knife? Is there a plan in place to handle the sliced hand of the screener?
That's just stupid.
#69
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IF you wear a bra, and most women do then you can thank those lovely people that test us EVERYDAY with small items in the bra. An officer has to press hard on that area in order to detect those items. IF they miss it then they get the bad thing on their record. Granted if TSA could use another method to check that area then we would not have to press that hard. But when we are searching for something that can be 1/2 inch long and 3/16 inch wide a lot of pressure has to be placed on the area.
Why are you looking for microSD cards in a bra? You are supposed to be looking for things that go boom. Smart terrwists will put the detonation device where you can't find it.
oooooo...."the bad thing". How adorable, you get black marks? Does that mean you get a gold star when you behave yourselves?
#70

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IF you wear a bra, and most women do then you can thank those lovely people that test us EVERYDAY with small items in the bra. An officer has to press hard on that area in order to detect those items. IF they miss it then they get the bad thing on their record. Granted if TSA could use another method to check that area then we would not have to press that hard. But when we are searching for something that can be 1/2 inch long and 3/16 inch wide a lot of pressure has to be placed on the area.
Your medical examples are not valid because TSOs do not have the same level of training as a physician, or those in EMS.
It is clear that they are not concerned with causing no harm or injury to their customers because quite often we see that they do just that.
#71
Join Date: Dec 2010
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IF you wear a bra, and most women do then you can thank those lovely people that test us EVERYDAY with small items in the bra. An officer has to press hard on that area in order to detect those items. IF they miss it then they get the bad thing on their record. Granted if TSA could use another method to check that area then we would not have to press that hard. But when we are searching for something that can be 1/2 inch long and 3/16 inch wide a lot of pressure has to be placed on the area.
Are you saying that it is now acceptable (and in fact, standard) practice for U.S. government employees to intentionally cause immediate physical harm to a potential airline passenger in order to assess whether they are carrying weapons?
If a doctor - a trained medical professional - left bruise marks from palpating an area under anything but the most emergent circumstances (like CPR), he would be held to account faster than you can say "malpractice." How in the world do you believe your non-medically-trained self to be qualified to perform any "professional" procedure that an actual Medical Doctor would be hesitant to perform?
And you still haven't answered the question, at least that I've seen, about what happens the day you tell a woman to take off her shirt and she does, baring all for the world to see. Then what do you do? Arrest her?
#72

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There is no logic in your response. I realise that you may just be parroting your employer, but regardless if the words are yours, or your employer's, they still don't make sense.
#73
Join Date: Nov 2010
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No.
Not a strawman argument.
You compared a stomach as the same as a breast. It is not.
You and/TSA are not medical professionals.
Doctors and EMT only perform the 'check on my chest' When I am in an accident. They do NOT check anyone they 'randomly' perceive to have injuries. And furthermore, not everyone that visits a doctor will have the possibility to be called out for a breast/phallic check.
*I*, the patient, make an appointment and request that kind of exam.
Not a strawman argument.
You compared a stomach as the same as a breast. It is not.
You and/TSA are not medical professionals.
Doctors and EMT only perform the 'check on my chest' When I am in an accident. They do NOT check anyone they 'randomly' perceive to have injuries. And furthermore, not everyone that visits a doctor will have the possibility to be called out for a breast/phallic check.
*I*, the patient, make an appointment and request that kind of exam.
That is a strawman argument. We are not talking walking up to someone and shaking their hand because of social greetings. We are talking about searching a persons body for possible weapons. There is no comparison. When you are in an accident and the paramedics check your chest for flail or other injuries involving personal areas, are you going to object? There are doctors and other professionals too that have to perform in this area of discomfort to the recepient everyday. They treat it like it is without any stigma attached to it.
#74
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That is a strawman argument. We are not talking walking up to someone and shaking their hand because of social greetings. We are talking about searching a persons body for possible weapons. There is no comparison. When you are in an accident and the paramedics check your chest for flail or other injuries involving personal areas, are you going to object? There are doctors and other professionals too that have to perform in this area of discomfort to the recepient everyday. They treat it like it is without any stigma attached to it.
However the airplane passenger can't find out that same information when it comes to the enhanced patdown because the patdown procedure done by TSA Agents is SSI.
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#75
Join Date: Dec 2010
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Strip search/grope anyone approaching a buffet line. Think of all the dangerous things you can put in food. Don't like it, don't eat.
They're using poison, so we're going to have to ban liquids from restaurants. The constitution doesn't say you have the right to order liquid with your solid foods.

