Pat Downs-Breasts question
#17
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Perhaps now in addition to wheelchair pushers & info-desk-staffers, there will now be brigade of volunteer perverts to assist in lifting, moving & separating boobs.
#18
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I presume eyecue is male -- else he'd know that the construction of many modern brassieres doesn't lend itself to the "lifting or moving/separating" of breasts. Will this become part of the new TSA dress code? Women must travel braless?
I will strip naked before I will be manipulating my breasts to help some TSA clerk feel me up.
~~ Irish
#19
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Join Date: Nov 2010
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In regards to separating or lifting, I don't think it would be possible without removal of this type of bra.
I only wear them for intense exercise, but I wondered how it would affect the screening process. I'm not about wearing it to the airport now that from what I've been reading they will still find a way if they really want to dig in there.
I'm just so sickened by all of this, I have been trying to find a way to make this upcoming flight experience not so horrible, but I don't think it's possible.
I only wear them for intense exercise, but I wondered how it would affect the screening process. I'm not about wearing it to the airport now that from what I've been reading they will still find a way if they really want to dig in there.
I'm just so sickened by all of this, I have been trying to find a way to make this upcoming flight experience not so horrible, but I don't think it's possible.
#20
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: North Dakota
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So is there some kind of consensus yet? Underwire to "pre"-lift and separate, or sports bra to avoid metal and possibly protect from overly grabby hands?
(Also, a sports bra would provide extra support if I have to make a run for it to the gate after having been detained for God-knows-how-long at security...)
(Also, a sports bra would provide extra support if I have to make a run for it to the gate after having been detained for God-knows-how-long at security...)
#22
Join Date: Nov 2010
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So is there some kind of consensus yet? Underwire to "pre"-lift and separate, or sports bra to avoid metal and possibly protect from overly grabby hands?
(Also, a sports bra would provide extra support if I have to make a run for it to the gate after having been detained for God-knows-how-long at security...)
(Also, a sports bra would provide extra support if I have to make a run for it to the gate after having been detained for God-knows-how-long at security...)
#23


Join Date: Jun 2010
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In this case, he is explaining what TSA will do and that the worst of this behavior is about to go national. They CAN FORCE the well-endowed to "separate" (females) or "lift" (males). They CAN FORCE people remove articles of clothing that prevent them from inspecting. You may refuse, but they will immediate give you the DYW2FT line and, if that doesn't force you into compliance, they will retaliate, make threats, get the LEO to make threats, threaten to fine you, add your personal information to a "secret" enemies list, etc., etc., etc. It boggles my mind to understand why 80% of the country is OK with this.
The TSA, in their over-abundance of caution/F the Constitution and people's rights/dignity approach, HAS ALREADY implemented a STRIP SEARCH and PROBE BODY CREVICES program. Given the recent events in MCO and LAS with random pat-downs for no reason at all, this behavior is clearly getting worse. Anyone that doesn't think full-body xrays, more-frequent strip searches, and cavity (as opposes to crevice) probing is the direction we are headed is naive.
There is one simple explanation to the more-aggressive and more-frequent groping. TSA knows the AIT isn't effective.
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#24
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They CAN FORCE the well-endowed to "separate" (females) or "lift" (males). They CAN FORCE people remove articles of clothing that prevent them from inspecting. You may refuse, but they will immediate give you the DYW2FT line and, if that doesn't force you into compliance, they will retaliate, make threats, get the LEO to make threats, threaten to fine you, add your personal information to a "secret" enemies list, etc., etc., etc. It boggles my mind to understand why 80% of the country is OK with this.
Now, I'm beginning to wonder if the TSA isn't a training ground for the people who'll end up being guards at those camps...
#27


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Stating that the TSA can "request" anything during the search process is a lie (statement made with the intent to deceive). Failure to comply with a "request" results in your loss of ability to fly, threats of civil fines, possible arrest, and/or a forced strip search. In other words, if you refuse the request, they will do it anyway or arrest/fine you. There is no logical way to define this behavior as a request.
The truthful statement is the TSA can FORCE YOU to manipulate your private parts and/or strip naked without any probable cause or suspicion.
#28
Join Date: Dec 2007
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The male LEO will just laugh at you. The first amendment protects their right to ask you. Anyone can ask you. You do have the right to refuse, however. Which I assume you would.


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