Today was the day...(The Michael Roberts/ExpressJet Story)
Oct 22, 2010, 11:33 am
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Police suspect tech used X-rays, mammograms for sexual gratification
BRIMFIELD, Ohio — A technician at a Tiffin imaging center caught driving with a stash of X-rays, mammograms, videos and pictures of women and children used the images for sexual gratification, police believe.
Sorry, traveling by those forms of transportation is no guarantee of a TSA-free experience. The TSA has been setting up shop at bus and train stations, Interstate highway checkpoints, and even sporting events.
Oct 22, 2010, 12:06 pm
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I'm not saying that I'm afraid of or intimidated by them, just pointing out that their actions are clearly harassment, and clearly designed to punish me for opting out.
It doesn't work, I will always opt out and I will always file a complaint. I have stood in the middle of a ring of five TSA employees who barked in my face and told them to follow through on their threat to call law enforcement, or I would be happy to do it.
The fact that dozens and dozens of people can see what's happening certainly isn't going to hurt me. I know that the TSA is trying to make me bow down and submit, and to make sure everyone else in line sees what happens when you opt out. I will not back down.
It doesn't work, I will always opt out and I will always file a complaint. I have stood in the middle of a ring of five TSA employees who barked in my face and told them to follow through on their threat to call law enforcement, or I would be happy to do it.
The fact that dozens and dozens of people can see what's happening certainly isn't going to hurt me. I know that the TSA is trying to make me bow down and submit, and to make sure everyone else in line sees what happens when you opt out. I will not back down.
Oct 22, 2010, 12:20 pm
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I just saw this story on HLN at the airport in the gate area. They gave they standard "will do whatever to keep us safe" TSA public statement.
But, it is beginning to get wider coverage and the TSA is beginning to sound defensive. Could be my bias there.
But, it is beginning to get wider coverage and the TSA is beginning to sound defensive. Could be my bias there.
Oct 22, 2010, 12:32 pm
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Oct 22, 2010, 5:43 pm
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Like anyone or any bureaucracy in gov't, he/she/it won't admit anything until shamed into it.
Oct 22, 2010, 6:30 pm
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Thank you for pointing this out, Superguy. I have a pacemaker and get a patdown every time I fly (30+ times/year). ATL installed the new machines near the patdown area recently, and I get directed into them. I refuse and continue to get patted down. I much prefer to be patted down in public by someone I can see, and where it can be witnessed by others, than to have images made of me - for the reasons you cite above. Since the new machines have been installed, now I just have to have a quick argument with the TSA when I decline to go into their machine ("you know it's OK for your pacemaker?") Yes, I know that - and I don't really want to explain the real and very private reason why I'd prefer not to have images of my body on a screen for someone to see. And no way in hell will I ever let my minor nieces and nephews go through them.
Oct 22, 2010, 6:52 pm
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Thank you for pointing this out, Superguy. I have a pacemaker and get a patdown every time I fly (30+ times/year). ATL installed the new machines near the patdown area recently, and I get directed into them. I refuse and continue to get patted down. I much prefer to be patted down in public by someone I can see, and where it can be witnessed by others, than to have images made of me - for the reasons you cite above. Since the new machines have been installed, now I just have to have a quick argument with the TSA when I decline to go into their machine ("you know it's OK for your pacemaker?") Yes, I know that - and I don't really want to explain the real and very private reason why I'd prefer not to have images of my body on a screen for someone to see. And no way in hell will I ever let my minor nieces and nephews go through them.
Oct 23, 2010, 8:13 am
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At which point the TSO should have been beaten like a red-headed step-child. I would just love to sit on that jury, should be almost as fun as sitting an IRS case.
Oct 23, 2010, 10:26 am
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Interesting comments by "Airline Pilots" - scroll down, it's after you get through the noise:
http://christinenegroni.blogspot.com...yada-yada.html
http://christinenegroni.blogspot.com...yada-yada.html
Oct 23, 2010, 10:39 am
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Police suspect tech used X-rays, mammograms for sexual gratification
BRIMFIELD, Ohio — A technician at a Tiffin imaging center caught driving with a stash of X-rays, mammograms, videos and pictures of women and children used the images for sexual gratification, police believe.
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Oct 23, 2010, 11:55 am
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No, it's true because it's true. A strip search, by definition, requires the removal of all clothing. A search that does not involve the removal of clothing is not a strip search.
Sure. But it's extremely unlikely that the court would regard the search as unreasonable on the basis of the images generated.
Sure. But it's extremely unlikely that the court would regard the search as unreasonable on the basis of the images generated.
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Oct 23, 2010, 12:50 pm
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Oct 23, 2010, 1:02 pm
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Your united 93 reference is a shameful patronization of those people who showed true patriotism and did what needed to be done even it it meant giving up there lives. The difference between those on that flight and others is that they took a stand against the hijackers and were determined to take them out. That is sort of what is happening with people taking a stand against TSA as its true colors have been seen and they are not "For out safety" nor good intentions. As sad as it is i dare say there many historical comparisons/parallels of TSA to organizations in the past as well as the 9/11 hijackers.
The most effective changes that were made by the airlines and the pilots and FA(and there unions) of hardening the cockpit doors and crews not submitting to the demands of idiots attempting anything. TSA is like the FAMS a big expensive embarrassing waste as they havent caught anything and are more show and theater then anything else, that just needs to be buried. Since 9/11 its been passengers that have stopped off events or outbursts on flights at all or before the FAMS sitting in a stolen first class seat could get there, blow there cover and put the idiot in cuffs.
Oct 23, 2010, 1:07 pm
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I'm all ears.
Please provide some salient, credible facts on how TSA has directly thwarted a terrorist from bringing down a US airliner. I'm not all that bright, so citations and links will be most appreciated.
Give me some facts, so we can debate them.
Please provide some salient, credible facts on how TSA has directly thwarted a terrorist from bringing down a US airliner. I'm not all that bright, so citations and links will be most appreciated.
Give me some facts, so we can debate them.