flyinbob

The problem is that while the pilots will likely win, we all will continue to lose, as the pinheads at TSA will never back down on this policy for the public.

Given the apparent growing anger by parents about their children being groped, I gotta wonder if the TSA is going to be the new job of choice for your local neighborhood pedophile. Get to grope kids and it's legal!

SpatialD

Thanks, coach.

And I wrote the piece above specifically to address this. My job is no longer the issue for me - like you, it's the public policy I'm concerned with. And I don't see any other solution than the one I described, do you? Is it just not worth it? Should we just give in now and kiss our rights and liberty goodbye?

You can be sure they'll be backing off of pilots very soon - sacrifice the battle to win the war. At that point, I'll still be with you, but many of my colleagues will move on, content just to be able to get to work and possibly even enjoying their status among the ranks who will still be lording it over you. What will YOU do then?

danielonn

I am sorry that this happened to you. If I was an airline employee in your situation I would have went through the first screening without any questions since this is part of my job and I know that the TSA should be spending their times on questionable passengers and not someone like me who went through a stringent background check for secondary screening. I have no time to waste as I need to report to work by a certain time.

But since you opted for a secondary screening I too would be violated by having to undress which is why I would much rather prefer option 1.

I hope the case goes well for you.

SpatialD

Sorry! I had no idea this would take so long, folks. We decided to handle our own communications on this 'cause you and everyone else have a right to know, and people need to know.

You can read about the other pilot I mentioned above here.

Please send this out to the rest of the world.

OrlandoFlyer

This is what it is all about:

This came from

http://fedupflyers.org/2010/11/168/

and highlighting in the quote was mine.

Chertoff and his gang of lobbyists making money out of NoSs.

SpatialD

I mentioned this on another thread, but thought it was worth starting a new one for anyone not following along there.

Pilot Ann Poe Prevented From Entering Airport in Ft. Lauderdale

IslandBased

Remember, what is happening now is just a small, mostly uncoordinated reaction to the new TSA policies. If we can keep up the pressure, keep asking passengers to report their negative experiences to the media in an honest and articulate manner, tell their congresspeople, and complain to the airlines; then TSA will have no alternative except to capitulate.

N965VJ

I've spread the word to several other sites. ^

sbagdon

It would seem to be a very short path from having an incident occur, to having a mental-health professional declare the incident traumatizing, then submitting a request for short- and/or long-term disability.

The question is... would the insurance company approve the request for disability payments?

Is the defense going to be that certain classes of employees (airline, "road warriors", etc) must submit to administrative searches, or find other employment? If you didn't go through the search and bailed, did a traumatizing event occure? If you went through the search after being told what would happen, is the traumatized responsible? Defense is going to put up a big fight, when green-dollars come into play.

What a mess...

MikeMpls

Something in the content on fedupflyers.org is causing it to be blocked at our company.

FetePerfection

Wow everyday more momentum and uproar over the abuses by TSA. SpatialD you I believe, were the first pilot to take a stand and now look at the others you've inspired. Congrats!

JObeth66

Workers' compensation insurance is a wonderful thing. No liability is necessary. Simply a demonstration of an injury that occurs in the course and scope of one's employment. If the injury/disability prevents you from working, you are generally entitled to collect indemnity payments which cover your lost time at work. It can also result in a payment for permanent injury and retraining if you cannot return to your previous position.

Keyser

same here....^^

Scubatooth

Workman's Compensation is not a wonderful thing. Trust me I know from personal experience after i messed up my back on the job. The WC system is so messed up its not even funny as its so full of red tape, back asswards logic and plain BS, dont get me started as WC ranks up with TSA in things that really piss me off.

The TIB or temporary income benefit for injured works is not the same as your normal compensation for your job. the TIB is normally 70% of your pay over the previous 13 weeks prior to the injury it varies state to state.

For example in Texas its 70% of your pay averaged over the previous 13 weeks to a max of $773 a week. So if your a high income earner your screwed. That is what happened to me because I maxed out when i messed up my back so my TIB was way less then 70% of my average paycheck and it put a massive hurt on things to the point I almost lost my car and had to give up my apartment. Beyond my normal paycheck taking a hit, I also lost out on more then 60K i would have made on side jobs/projects due to the injury i sustained. WC is very slow to approve or do anything, yes you are entitled to reasonable treatment but it takes forever to get anything approved or done. From the time of my injury to the point they finally approved my surgery was 9 months, then after surgery even more months of physical therapy to regain strength in muscles that wasted away in the 9 months prior to surgery. This is only one of many issues one would face during a WC claim.

The WC system is not there to help or protect the worker, you just end up getting screwed over massively in the process. I have told many co-workers that if they got hurt on the job to suck it up till there shift is over then take care of it on there own dime as you will get your care and back on your feet much sooner, that and if you file for WC no short term or long term policy will payout on WC its written into the law, so if you where thinking you would get a double pay out your SOL.

CaliC

In many states the mental health laws for work comp are not the same as for physical injuries. If you were mentally harmed by the normal actions of others in the course of employment, or the good-faith actions of others, then you may have no claim.

I'll pass on debating the meaning of "normal".

Cali