Flyer “Processed” (Arrested?) in NM After Declining to Show ID
Nov 18, 2009, 9:36 am
#227
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: FLL
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I was at ISP this past weekend and didn't see the sign. It's possible I missed it (was carting around a 6 month old baby), but I didn't see anything.
Nov 18, 2009, 10:05 am
#228
Join Date: Nov 2008
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As much as I love a good conspiracy theory ... there have been plenty of other times that the TSA Blog has become sporadic in its updates, that had nothing to do with the subject matter du jour. From what I can tell, Blogger Bob is the TSA Blog, and if he gets assigned to do something else, the blog mostly sits idle.
Nov 18, 2009, 10:38 am
#229
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Unfortunately, I disagree with us having the same goal.
My goal is a reasonably safe flight, consistent with personal dignity and preservation of the rights I am supposed to enjoy as a citizen. I am perfectly willing to sacrifice some degree of "safety" in order to preserve other things which I regard as more precious.
TSA's goal appears to be to make a show of security - focusing on public displays while ignoring things that happen behind the scenes (e.g. failing to secure air freight, no screening of material brought into the sterile area for resale, etc.). Empire building is the actual goal, safe air travel is a distant second. TSA is perfectly willing to sacrifice some degree of "safety" for passengers in order to preserve other things which it regards as more precious.
TSA's goals and the goals of frequent flyers have some commonality, but with TSA's growing, arrogant overreach the two sets of goals are diverging more and more each day.
Nov 18, 2009, 11:02 am
#230
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As much as I love a good conspiracy theory ... there have been plenty of other times that the TSA Blog has become sporadic in its updates, that had nothing to do with the subject matter du jour. From what I can tell, Blogger Bob is the TSA Blog, and if he gets assigned to do something else, the blog mostly sits idle.
TSA has taken some hard lumps recently and the news reports seem more frequent and less in favor of all things TSA.
They not only have an image problem but a functional problem as well.
My personal opinion is that the TSA blog has done more to bring attention to TSA's shortcomings than anything else over the last couple of years.
The TSA blog provided an excellent method of communication but was squandered by using it mostly as a propaganda outlet.
Nov 18, 2009, 11:18 am
#231
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: IAD, and sometimes OMNI/PR. Currently: not far from IAD, but home will always be SAN (not far from the "touch my junk and I'll have you arrested" Memorial TSA Check Point) even if I'm not there so much these days.
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IMHO, all it will do for "our" future travels is make it more difficult, by hardening the attitude of the TSA toward flyers who don't have ID. Most of those flyers will be victims of robbery, pickpockets, and so on, and having yet another barrier in their path home isn't an improvement. Too bad we can't work with TSA instead of as adversaries. We all have the same goal, a safe flight.
Nov 18, 2009, 11:27 am
#232
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As much as I love a good conspiracy theory ... there have been plenty of other times that the TSA Blog has become sporadic in its updates, that had nothing to do with the subject matter du jour. From what I can tell, Blogger Bob is the TSA Blog, and if he gets assigned to do something else, the blog mostly sits idle.
Mike
Nov 18, 2009, 11:29 am
#233
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: IAD, and sometimes OMNI/PR. Currently: not far from IAD, but home will always be SAN (not far from the "touch my junk and I'll have you arrested" Memorial TSA Check Point) even if I'm not there so much these days.
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Nov 18, 2009, 11:50 am
#234
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Nov 18, 2009, 1:55 pm
#235
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Nov 18, 2009, 2:01 pm
#236
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Nov 18, 2009, 2:19 pm
#237
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Location: Florida
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Nov 18, 2009, 3:37 pm
#238
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NY by birth, BNA by choice - soon YXE, the SKY by virtue.
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Nov 18, 2009, 3:48 pm
#239
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Minneapolis
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Agree
I really just do not understand this argument. I love the freedom that we have in the US to not show ID doing 90% of what we do. I love the fact that I have driven across the US at least 8 times and you never have to show ID at any point. You just have freedom to roam in this country. I love it. On the other hand, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that in order to board an airplane, the airline or the TSA would want to verify that you are the person that the boarding pass says that you are. I have heard all of the arguments against this and they all sound like a 10 yo arguing about why something isn't 'fair'. Now, if you can demonstrate to me that we can go back to the days of no ID to board an airplane, then let's hear it, but I see no way this can be seen as even inconvenient.
By the way, I cannot watch the video on my current machine so I have not actually seen waht happened, just what is related on this thread.
By the way, I cannot watch the video on my current machine so I have not actually seen waht happened, just what is related on this thread.
Nov 18, 2009, 3:48 pm
#240
Join Date: Dec 2002
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And that's why security is best referred to as the theatre.