May 24, 2018, 4:03 am
Last edit by: percysmith
New links:
New redemption engine: https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/facade.html
(alternatively https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/book-a-trip/redeem-flights/facade.html for MPO members)
New redemption charts (CX and KA only): https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/flight-award-chart.html
New partner redemption mileage requirement: https://www.asiamiles.com/en/afr.html
Asia Miles changes microsite:
https://www.asiamiles.com/change/
New Terms and Conditions:
https://www.asiamiles.com/change/en/updatedterms.html
New redemption engine: https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/facade.html
(alternatively https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/book-a-trip/redeem-flights/facade.html for MPO members)
New redemption charts (CX and KA only): https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/flight-award-chart.html
New partner redemption mileage requirement: https://www.asiamiles.com/en/afr.html
Asia Miles changes microsite:
https://www.asiamiles.com/change/
New Terms and Conditions:
https://www.asiamiles.com/change/en/updatedterms.html
Asia Miles Changes effective 22 June 2018
May 25, 2018, 12:49 am
#107
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https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29788449-post49.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29788320-post24.html
It's going to take some time for me to get my head around the new definition of turnaround point but for a 2-segment return routing (which is about 90% of my bookings), I believe it will simply be the longer of the two.
May 25, 2018, 12:53 am
#108
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There are two levels (Haul Long Type 1 & Haul Long Type 2) of mileage requirements for all long-haul awards (except the oneworld Multi-Carrier Award). Haul Long Type 1 applies when the mileage distance of either inbound or outbound itinerary falls between 5001 and 7500 miles and none of its origin, destination or turnaround points include a city in the Americas. If a city in the Americas is just acting as a transfer point or en-route stopover (not an origin, destination or turnaround point), Haul Long Type 1 still applies. Haul Long Type 2 applies when the mileage distance of either inbound or outbound itinerary falls between 5001 and 7500 miles and the origin, destination or turnaround point includes any city in the Americas.
May 25, 2018, 12:55 am
#109
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When I first read the marketing I thought Cathay is finally going to take care of their FFP flyers - i.e. offering status bonus miles. But I was wrong. It's revenue-based bonus miles and little at that. Since I bought mostly I fare anyway, I thought it's better than nothing. Then I look at the numbers, and the increase is horrible compare to the redemption devaluation. So basically they've screwed everyone by making it more expensive to redeem (except a few routes), and then token increase on higher fares. I guess it's a more clever way to screw loyal Cathay flyers this time rather than just shove it in our faces like the first round of FFP devalutions. Cathay is learning to cut but just not make it that obvious.
Made me regret my recent purchase of family trip from PEK to HKG to YVR to JFK to HKG to PVG all C class. Now all these miles flown will be worth much less than before. Should of used up my Asiamiles for full redemption before the devaluation.
Made me regret my recent purchase of family trip from PEK to HKG to YVR to JFK to HKG to PVG all C class. Now all these miles flown will be worth much less than before. Should of used up my Asiamiles for full redemption before the devaluation.
May 25, 2018, 12:57 am
#110
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May 25, 2018, 1:04 am
#111
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May 25, 2018, 1:09 am
#112
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I interpret it like that too. Takes some unwiring in my brain as my brain has been hardwired to treat YVR/LAX as the same zone as LHR/CDG for so long.
May 25, 2018, 1:49 am
#113
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Originally Posted by Flight Awards Redemption – General Conditions
7. There are two levels (Haul Long Type 1 & Haul Long Type 2) of mileage requirements for all long-haul awards (except the oneworld Multi-Carrier Award). Haul Long Type 1 applies when the mileage distance of either inbound or outbound itinerary falls between 5001 and 7500 miles and none of its origin, destination or turnaround points include a city in the Americas. If a city in the Americas is just acting as a transfer point or en-route stopover (not an origin, destination or turnaround point), Haul Long Type 1 still applies. Haul Long Type 2 applies when the mileage distance of either inbound or outbound itinerary falls between 5001 and 7500 miles and the origin, destination or turnaround point includes any city in the Americas.
May 25, 2018, 1:59 am
#114
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Well exPEK/PVG to NA are quite cheap...plus PVG/PEK miles almost doubled....HKG-YVR also increased by 1000miles one way. JFK-HKG in C Class is now 1,676 miles more.
May 25, 2018, 2:12 am
#115
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May 25, 2018, 2:32 am
#116
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Not sure if the Type 2 concept applies to partner charts, but if so, routings like NRT-YVR-JFK or YVR-JFK-LHR will be Type 2 as well.
Isn't YYZ always in the zone of >7500 miles before and after?
Isn't YYZ always in the zone of >7500 miles before and after?
May 25, 2018, 3:01 am
#117
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)As for partners, this chart is solely for CX and KA! We won't know until 6.22 for partners.
Yeah but again since this chart is just for CX KA, I can't really see an itinerary where a US (West Coast to be more precise?) city is only a transfer but not a destination/origin.
May 25, 2018, 3:07 am
#118
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I wonder what happens when the redemption is CX/KA + 1 partner? CX table if CX is MSC? Or CX table no matter what? Or another table?
May 25, 2018, 3:57 am
#119
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although cx do things rather clumsily, i think those terms are written so that partners would fit in there too
just like a discounted earn rate for MPO club points, now you need more miles.
just like a discounted earn rate for MPO club points, now you need more miles.
May 25, 2018, 4:01 am
#120
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The devaluation isn't as big as most feared, in fact there are some like KIX and SIN that are now "cheaper" to redeem in economy. However what concerns me more now that I need to pay 25K more miles for lets say MNL-HKG-JFK RT Business class which is now at 170K, while AS could get it for 100K miles....