CX Post-Covid
#31
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hong Kong, France
Programs: FB , BA Gold/OW emerald, QR
Posts: 17,036
I have flown regional CX (J & Y) a few times since early 2022.
I have found the staff good and the new hires very enthusiastic.
But my complain is the F&B standard in J. Heavy cost-cutting.
I like the new A32Q in Y. Great entertainment system for Y.
I have found the staff good and the new hires very enthusiastic.
But my complain is the F&B standard in J. Heavy cost-cutting.
I like the new A32Q in Y. Great entertainment system for Y.
#32




Join Date: Nov 2017
Programs: MPC-DM, Enrich-Plat
Posts: 1,366
The first row J in the A32Q is a bit disappointing for me. Pretty cramped, due to the massive/intruding bulkhead.
#33
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau




Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 22,108
Noel Philip's review of CX526 HKG-NRT (A350-900):
- Wing got the rating it deserved (but at Gate 24 he doesn't have much choice - not that Deck is that much better)
- I think he's a bit overcritical on the seats - he got a Zodiac FB2. Wait til he gets one of those real regionals...
- 12K cupboard top filth was inexcusable for the first flight of the day
- Yes CX (external) aircraft presentation aren't the greatest
- That wasn't the greatest breakfast (broken skin and a very watery egg plate) (OK I usually avoid the western breakfast on CX flights so I haven't seen one recently)
- Staff forgot his coffee first time (wasn't a full flight)
I thought he was a little overcritical. But then again I never held the expectation of CX that he did.
(I also wonder what kind of choice he thinks he has? If he went on JL736, he'll tear apart the Shell Flat Neo seats)
- Wing got the rating it deserved (but at Gate 24 he doesn't have much choice - not that Deck is that much better)
- I think he's a bit overcritical on the seats - he got a Zodiac FB2. Wait til he gets one of those real regionals...
- 12K cupboard top filth was inexcusable for the first flight of the day
- Yes CX (external) aircraft presentation aren't the greatest
- That wasn't the greatest breakfast (broken skin and a very watery egg plate) (OK I usually avoid the western breakfast on CX flights so I haven't seen one recently)
- Staff forgot his coffee first time (wasn't a full flight)
I thought he was a little overcritical. But then again I never held the expectation of CX that he did.
(I also wonder what kind of choice he thinks he has? If he went on JL736, he'll tear apart the Shell Flat Neo seats)
Last edited by percysmith; Jul 16, 2023 at 7:53 am
#34




Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 166
Noel Philip's review of CX526 HKG-NRT (A350-900):
- Wing got the rating it deserved (but at Gate 24 he doesn't have much choice - not that Deck is that much better)
- I think he's a bit overcritical on the seats - he got a Zodiac FB2. Wait til he gets one of those real regionals...
- 12K cupboard top filth was inexcusable for the first flight of the day
- Yes CX (external) aircraft presentation aren't the greatest
- That wasn't the greatest breakfast (broken skin and a very watery egg plate) (OK I usually avoid the western breakfast on CX flights so I haven't seen one recently)
- Staff forgot his coffee first time (wasn't a full flight)
I thought he was a little overcritical. But then again I never held the expectation of CX that he did.
(I also wonder what kind of choice he thinks he has? If he went on JL736, he'll tear apart the Shell Flat Neo seats)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w1BEt0UHAY
- Wing got the rating it deserved (but at Gate 24 he doesn't have much choice - not that Deck is that much better)
- I think he's a bit overcritical on the seats - he got a Zodiac FB2. Wait til he gets one of those real regionals...
- 12K cupboard top filth was inexcusable for the first flight of the day
- Yes CX (external) aircraft presentation aren't the greatest
- That wasn't the greatest breakfast (broken skin and a very watery egg plate) (OK I usually avoid the western breakfast on CX flights so I haven't seen one recently)
- Staff forgot his coffee first time (wasn't a full flight)
I thought he was a little overcritical. But then again I never held the expectation of CX that he did.
(I also wonder what kind of choice he thinks he has? If he went on JL736, he'll tear apart the Shell Flat Neo seats)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w1BEt0UHAY
then the cracker came when he said Shanghai Airlines and British airways were betterpure ridiculous.
yes Cathay are not as good as they used to be, but they are nowhere near as bad as people are making out.
#35
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 25
I also watched his video earlier and genuinely thought he had some kind of agenda againts Cathay. All the stuff he was saying like “it was alright”, “not the best”, “quite good”, “nothing special”, …
then the cracker came when he said Shanghai Airlines and British airways were better…pure ridiculous.
yes Cathay are not as good as they used to be, but they are nowhere near as bad as people are making out.
then the cracker came when he said Shanghai Airlines and British airways were better…pure ridiculous.
yes Cathay are not as good as they used to be, but they are nowhere near as bad as people are making out.
#37

Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: MAN
Programs: Avios, AsiaMiles
Posts: 52
Human can be consciously or unconsciously biased, which is what I felt from this video.
That said, HKG-TYO is already one of the better served routes in Cathay's network - other flights (e.g. ex KA routes) could be worse.
The only major poor showing was the meal.
I don't understand why announcement in multiple languages could be criticised.
#38
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 22,108
Not only the number of languages (in Japan flights it's trilingual), but the length of announcements has been previously commented on negatively Chinglish on Handover Day (inspired by Singlish on SG National Day)
#39




Join Date: Nov 2017
Programs: MPC-DM, Enrich-Plat
Posts: 1,366
Noel Philip's review of CX526 HKG-NRT (A350-900):
- Wing got the rating it deserved (but at Gate 24 he doesn't have much choice - not that Deck is that much better)
- I think he's a bit overcritical on the seats - he got a Zodiac FB2. Wait til he gets one of those real regionals...
- 12K cupboard top filth was inexcusable for the first flight of the day
- Yes CX (external) aircraft presentation aren't the greatest
- That wasn't the greatest breakfast (broken skin and a very watery egg plate) (OK I usually avoid the western breakfast on CX flights so I haven't seen one recently)
- Staff forgot his coffee first time (wasn't a full flight)
I thought he was a little overcritical. But then again I never held the expectation of CX that he did.
(I also wonder what kind of choice he thinks he has? If he went on JL736, he'll tear apart the Shell Flat Neo seats)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w1BEt0UHAY
- Wing got the rating it deserved (but at Gate 24 he doesn't have much choice - not that Deck is that much better)
- I think he's a bit overcritical on the seats - he got a Zodiac FB2. Wait til he gets one of those real regionals...
- 12K cupboard top filth was inexcusable for the first flight of the day
- Yes CX (external) aircraft presentation aren't the greatest
- That wasn't the greatest breakfast (broken skin and a very watery egg plate) (OK I usually avoid the western breakfast on CX flights so I haven't seen one recently)
- Staff forgot his coffee first time (wasn't a full flight)
I thought he was a little overcritical. But then again I never held the expectation of CX that he did.
(I also wonder what kind of choice he thinks he has? If he went on JL736, he'll tear apart the Shell Flat Neo seats)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w1BEt0UHAY
#40

Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: MAN
Programs: Avios, AsiaMiles
Posts: 52
It stops the IFE.
Not only the number of languages (in Japan flights it's trilingual), but the length of announcements has been previously commented on negatively Chinglish on Handover Day (inspired by Singlish on SG National Day)
Not only the number of languages (in Japan flights it's trilingual), but the length of announcements has been previously commented on negatively Chinglish on Handover Day (inspired by Singlish on SG National Day)
#41


Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,657
(I'm a BA frequent flier and BAEC member btw).
#42
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#43
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: ey class
Posts: 258
post covid, this slippery slope CX is on is purely on management.
like leosantos said, mong kok shop girls are being recruited and you can see the results inflight (maybe not in the passengers eye, but definitely in their colleagues eyes). even their training department is worried about the quality that is coming in. this trainer also said that their English standards were below average that he could not pass them. imagine being served by an ex-KFC manager - "What you like?" (as reported by colleagues. now, you can even find an ex bus driver in the team. the standard has fallen quite considerably.
the same goes for the pilots. just about anyone can get into their cadet pilot scheme now. a senior pilot said some time back that he knows of over 60 senior pilots are leaving. most are off to greener pastures (we all know where that is). one ex FO mentioned smugly, "Apartment?!?! it's a villa!"
like leosantos said, mong kok shop girls are being recruited and you can see the results inflight (maybe not in the passengers eye, but definitely in their colleagues eyes). even their training department is worried about the quality that is coming in. this trainer also said that their English standards were below average that he could not pass them. imagine being served by an ex-KFC manager - "What you like?" (as reported by colleagues. now, you can even find an ex bus driver in the team. the standard has fallen quite considerably.
the same goes for the pilots. just about anyone can get into their cadet pilot scheme now. a senior pilot said some time back that he knows of over 60 senior pilots are leaving. most are off to greener pastures (we all know where that is). one ex FO mentioned smugly, "Apartment?!?! it's a villa!"
#45

Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: New Zealand
Programs: CX Gold
Posts: 408
CX is terrible now.
We have moved 70% of travel to QR/SQ.
if either of these airlines status matched CX, i think CX would be done.
And yes it is no better than BA or AI now.
No customer service, everything is now cheapened with this "Cathay brand" on everything
flights always delayed because the management hates their staff.
The company does not even promote or hire based on competence anymore its all bases on race and gender.
frankly they deserve to fail and go bankrupt.
Instead of hiring staff to run a shop in a mall , hire staff to serve your planes and customers!!!
This has nothing to do with China or any other racist ideas on here by some.
it has everything to do with Swire having lost its mind.
Rupert Hogg was the last hope.
if you think the current CEO is bad, wait till Lavinia Lau is at the helm.
Still remember when discussing flying with friends , business acquaintances etc Cathay was always held as the creme de la creme, they never had the best cabins or the best food ( always near the top ) but the customer service and lounges were second to none.
in the last 40 years for the first time most people put Cathay on the same level as UA/BA
I don't think Swire is capable anymore.
We have moved 70% of travel to QR/SQ.
if either of these airlines status matched CX, i think CX would be done.
And yes it is no better than BA or AI now.
No customer service, everything is now cheapened with this "Cathay brand" on everything
flights always delayed because the management hates their staff.
The company does not even promote or hire based on competence anymore its all bases on race and gender.
frankly they deserve to fail and go bankrupt.
Instead of hiring staff to run a shop in a mall , hire staff to serve your planes and customers!!!
This has nothing to do with China or any other racist ideas on here by some.
it has everything to do with Swire having lost its mind.
Rupert Hogg was the last hope.
if you think the current CEO is bad, wait till Lavinia Lau is at the helm.
Still remember when discussing flying with friends , business acquaintances etc Cathay was always held as the creme de la creme, they never had the best cabins or the best food ( always near the top ) but the customer service and lounges were second to none.
in the last 40 years for the first time most people put Cathay on the same level as UA/BA
I don't think Swire is capable anymore.


