CX to close KA!
#92


Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Vancouver, Manila, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong
Posts: 348
Just curious, what was the reason it was transferred to KA in the past? I only moved to KL in 2018 and KA was already in service, so I don't know the history on why it was changed from CX to KA.
#93




Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Taiwan
Programs: CX DM (OWE)
Posts: 436
DP:
A friend who working as KA ground crew in KHH, Taiwan revealed that KHH would be operated by CX.
Although I am sorry to see KA being discontinued, it is good move for me.
IMPE, CX's onboard service is better than KA's.
A friend who working as KA ground crew in KHH, Taiwan revealed that KHH would be operated by CX.
Although I am sorry to see KA being discontinued, it is good move for me.
IMPE, CX's onboard service is better than KA's.
#94




Join Date: May 2012
Programs: KA "The Elite"
Posts: 215
The old KA was and is missed....
Long live KA!
#95



Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 2,732
I'd agree, it would not surprise me to see several destinations where there's a CX service in the 'peak hours' favoured by business travellers and going up against a competing full-service airline, with a UO service in 'off-peak' hours and aimed at more price-sensitive travellers who can be more flexible with their timetable, and potentially going up against an LCC on the same route.
#96
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hong Kong, France
Programs: FB , BA Gold/OW emerald, QR
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I'd agree, it would not surprise me to see several destinations where there's a CX service in the 'peak hours' favoured by business travellers and going up against a competing full-service airline, with a UO service in 'off-peak' hours and aimed at more price-sensitive travellers who can be more flexible with their timetable, and potentially going up against an LCC on the same route.
The idea of "rush hour" is a bit fuzzy on a 4 hour route. A flight departing early morning from HKG will return mid-day from KUL (off-peak). A flight getting business travelers back from KUL in the evening needs to leave HKG early afternoon (off-[eak).
Business travelers need frequency and flexibility. With traffic jams in KL, I often took a later or earlier CX flight. KUL entertained many daily flights and KUL-HKG had significant premium traffic.
UO is a true LCC, sardine seating, no lounge,.... No one paying a high CX fare will be happy to spend 4 hours on UO.
Mixing CX and UO on any of the few important regional destinations seems to me destructive.
Now this is assuming that traffic returns to 2018 levels. For the next couple of years, it will be survival planning and anything goes.
#97


Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: CX GO, IHG Dia Amb
Posts: 832
Forgot that PEN was also served by CX before. I remembered flying CX once on a 77W, and the J-heavy front was full (not sure how many were paid pac though). So this should be another reason why PEN would go to CX again as I believe.
#98


Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YVR, KUL
Programs: AC, MH, BA, AF-KL
Posts: 3,176
Back in the day, some flights used to be tagged with KUL (can't remember if it was a triangular routing). I suppose that was how CX maintained multiple flights on certain days. The crew absolutely adored the PEN nightstops.
#99




Join Date: May 2007
Programs: UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 8,120
Yup, it used to be a HKG-KUL-PEN-KUL-HKG routing, with a mid-afternoon departure from HKG (an hour or so earlier than KA729) and an early morning departure from PEN/KUL (similar to KA730).
#100




Join Date: Jun 2015
Programs: MR Platinum
Posts: 84
PEN was a tagged flight from the beginning when it on itself couldn't support a direct flight.
Later on, direct flights to PEN were added (around 2005/06) on a 3x to 4x weekly basis. On those days with direct flights to PEN, CX721 terminated at KUL.
Finally, KUL/PEN were de-tagged completely when PEN went direct daily.
Later on, direct flights to PEN were added (around 2005/06) on a 3x to 4x weekly basis. On those days with direct flights to PEN, CX721 terminated at KUL.
Finally, KUL/PEN were de-tagged completely when PEN went direct daily.
Last edited by CS300; Oct 29, 2020 at 7:05 pm
#102


Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: CX GO, IHG Dia Amb
Posts: 832
Gut feeling is that CNX is not premium heavy and so there are possibilities for UO to step in. Anyone know if there are many transit pax on this flight? It may have certain effect on whether it will be KA or UO.
#103



Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: OSL
Posts: 2,978
Does anyone know if OU will provide connections to CX flights? Surely that's the big decision maker in what AOC gets deployed?
Unless of course this was just a way of bringing down costs in staffing? I thought OU was built on Air Asia, EU LCC type model, point-to-point and no connection.
Unless of course this was just a way of bringing down costs in staffing? I thought OU was built on Air Asia, EU LCC type model, point-to-point and no connection.
#104


Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: CX GO, IHG Dia Amb
Posts: 832
Does anyone know if OU will provide connections to CX flights? Surely that's the big decision maker in what AOC gets deployed?
Unless of course this was just a way of bringing down costs in staffing? I thought OU was built on Air Asia, EU LCC type model, point-to-point and no connection.
Unless of course this was just a way of bringing down costs in staffing? I thought OU was built on Air Asia, EU LCC type model, point-to-point and no connection.
#105



Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: London
Posts: 869
good point, I only know from my ground and in the air observations but I assume higher % transit pax than usual based on ad-hoc conversations with the crew, and the people in the (small!) TG lounge at CNX, Anecdotal observations though. J cabin always seem full, ex HKG business fares are rarely cheap.

