High-flying barrister, 41, and his family are removed from BA flight at Heathrow
Feb 11, 2024, 11:43 am
#466
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[QUOTE=Finland Station;35990099]Don't let that stand in the way of your passing judgment on the incident.
I have been very careful not to pass any judgement at all; if you read what have written, you will see that I have "surmised", said what "seemed" to have happened, etc. etc. I have not "concluded" nor "judged" anything.
Which, of course, might not prevent you from concluding that I had!
I have been very careful not to pass any judgement at all; if you read what have written, you will see that I have "surmised", said what "seemed" to have happened, etc. etc. I have not "concluded" nor "judged" anything.
Which, of course, might not prevent you from concluding that I had!
Feb 11, 2024, 11:49 am
#467
Join Date: Mar 2016
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Nothing "woke" (or even wrong!) with suggesting one considers that which one has written.
But I have already said what I believe to be the underlying reason for this.
We can't draw any meaningful conclusions from the fact that you have never had the misfortune of being threatened with arrest for complaining in the course of your travels - it might be that you complain as forcefully as I do (or more so) but travel less; or that I complain more forcefully than you (but still lawfully); or luck/randomness; or something else!
But I have already said what I believe to be the underlying reason for this.
We can't draw any meaningful conclusions from the fact that you have never had the misfortune of being threatened with arrest for complaining in the course of your travels - it might be that you complain as forcefully as I do (or more so) but travel less; or that I complain more forcefully than you (but still lawfully); or luck/randomness; or something else!
Two questions:
1. Do you find it normal that you are so often threatened with arrest?
2. Do you find it happens to you in other spheres of life other than travel?
PS. Oh, and a third question:
3. Do you wear red trousers?
Feb 11, 2024, 11:50 am
#468
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I think the adage of "old money doesn't have to shout about it" (or similar) sums this chap up. He's a quite brilliant lawyer by all accounts but thinks he's above those in charge on the aircraft. Some of us (me) have relatives in higher places and more influence than he, I can assure you they rather die than act like he did.
Feb 11, 2024, 12:08 pm
#469
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Looks to me like a classic case of expressing an opinion on what you advance as the facts. Of course, if you are telling us that you don't know any facts, upon which to base any opinion, then that may assist in assessing the value that can be attached to the opinion.
Feb 11, 2024, 12:10 pm
#470
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If during the course of your complaint, the possibility of arrest comes up, then it is highly unlikely to lead to a successful outcome.
Two questions:
1. Do you find it normal that you are so often threatened with arrest?
2. Do you find it happens to you in other spheres of life other than travel?
PS. Oh, and a third question:
3. Do you wear red trousers?
Two questions:
1. Do you find it normal that you are so often threatened with arrest?
2. Do you find it happens to you in other spheres of life other than travel?
PS. Oh, and a third question:
3. Do you wear red trousers?
2 & 3 - no comment, as thread drift (somewhat)!
Feb 11, 2024, 12:12 pm
#471
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I think the adage of "old money doesn't have to shout about it" (or similar) sums this chap up. He's a quite brilliant lawyer by all accounts but thinks he's above those in charge on the aircraft. Some of us (me) have relatives in higher places and more influence than he, I can assure you they rather die than act like he did.
Feb 11, 2024, 12:15 pm
#472
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Let's see...
Conclusion as to BA's handling of the incident (based on a conclusion that the new Lord was the victim of overbearing staff).
Conclusion as to the facts supporting your view that this is an example of "the wokeist (sic), crybully (sic) world in which we live".
Looks to me like a classic case of expressing an opinion on what you advance as the facts. Of course, if you are telling us that you don't know any facts, upon which to base any opinion, then that may assist in assessing the value that can be attached to the opinion.
Conclusion as to BA's handling of the incident (based on a conclusion that the new Lord was the victim of overbearing staff).
Conclusion as to the facts supporting your view that this is an example of "the wokeist (sic), crybully (sic) world in which we live".
Looks to me like a classic case of expressing an opinion on what you advance as the facts. Of course, if you are telling us that you don't know any facts, upon which to base any opinion, then that may assist in assessing the value that can be attached to the opinion.
Feb 11, 2024, 12:16 pm
#473
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I’m just starting to wonder if I’m being trolled …..
Feb 11, 2024, 12:23 pm
#476
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It's also interesting how many people are willing to draw conclusions about the original affair for which there is limited/no evidence.
Feb 11, 2024, 12:27 pm
#477
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301. A barrister must have regard to paragraph 104 and must not:
(a) engage in conduct whether in pursuit of his profession or otherwise which is:
(i) dishonest or otherwise discreditable to a barrister;
(ii) prejudicial to the administration of justice; or
(iii) likely to diminish public confidence in the legal profession or the
administration of justice or otherwise bring the legal profession into disrepute
If he had sought to use his professional status during this incident he would have faced disciplinary action methinks
Feb 11, 2024, 12:27 pm
#478
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Just "skim watched" the video. Yes he was rude, but did that merit him being removed from the aircraft by armed police?
Being rude, arrogant, entitled, dislikeable, etc. are not attractive traits. But neither are they crimes.
Anyhow, an interesting discussion, but one I shall exit now!
Safe and happy flying all!
Cheers,
BTP
Being rude, arrogant, entitled, dislikeable, etc. are not attractive traits. But neither are they crimes.
Anyhow, an interesting discussion, but one I shall exit now!
Safe and happy flying all!
Cheers,
BTP
Feb 11, 2024, 12:30 pm
#479
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The total must easily run into several dozen
@BTP must surely be a parody account as the alternative picture I have is of an angry little man, chuntering away and powerlessly waving his fist at a world so different from the imagined 18th century he'd really like to be living in, when Britain ruled the world and the fuzzy-wuzzies knew their place.
Feb 11, 2024, 2:41 pm
#480
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