navylad

it is interesting that you, possible quite rightly, criticise people for drawing conclusions based on little to no evidence, but go on to do exactly that in favour of this individual.

Whilst it is interesting that you go through your travels daring an official to arrest you, personally, I find being reasonable and non-argumentative tends to work quite well for me. Ultimately, very few people go to work to do a bad job.

Happily woke here.

BTP

And, of course, the additional genius in BA's handling of the original matter is that they have not only made an enemy of a senior lawyer, but also now a law maker (well law amender maybe)!

Well done (again), BA!

BTP

Each to their own, no-one has a monopoly on the "right" way to live one's life

But I did not "conclude", I "surmised"

Finland Station

That's an interesting view. Are you suggesting that BA should put up with disruptive behaviour from a passenger on the basis that s/he might become a member of the House of Lords at some point in the future? Integrity might point to a different answer.

andrelux

Would it be overly woke to suggest that you reflect on the highlighted phrase?

I have on occasion found myself having to complain about "wrongful action or inaction" but I've never once been threatened with arrest as a result.

Bohinjska Bistrica

Lord Banner of DYKWIA

BTP

No, of course I'm not suggesting that.

In this case, we don't know that there has been disruptive behaviour from a passenger - only that BA appear to have acted in a manner consistent with them believing this.

I don't believe that real disruptive behaviour has occurred. As I wrote, I believe that BA have acted overzealously towards a passenger forcefully arguing their position - which (if so) they were wrong to do - and (again if so) will have made them an enemy in a "high place". (Until Labour get in and abolish the Lords, of course!)

Saladman

I thought that too. Apparently in the early part of the thread he was an all round decent chap and that the crew were rather belligerent. BA were quite obviously in the wrong and well done to the QC for standing up for his rights.

Rather inconveniently the truth got out from witnesses on the plane and a video I seem to recall, and it turned out that he wasn’t an all round decent chap at all, he was actually rather unpleasant and he swore at the crew. Who, it transpired, weren’t belligerent at all but were the rather unfortunate scapegoats of a ground mess up and consequently had to face the wrath of someone whose intellect and common sense were hugely outweighed by their mouth.

Hmmm. Not sure what you are trying to say there. He swore at the crew, itself a breach of Conditions of Carriage. It’s game over at that stage. If a barrister has to swear to put his point across then it casts a slight doubt on his professionalism and I’d say it’s probably not his job.

I don’t know you from Adam (I imagine you have more clothes on) but to be threatened with arrest once is unlucky. To be threatened with arrest multiple times would suggest that maybe your people skills and diplomacy skills are not quite as honed as they should be?

BTP

Nothing "woke" (or even wrong!) with suggesting one considers that which one has written.

But I have already said what I believe to be the underlying reason for this.

We can't draw any meaningful conclusions from the fact that you have never had the misfortune of being threatened with arrest for complaining in the course of your travels - it might be that you complain as forcefully as I do (or more so) but travel less; or that I complain more forcefully than you (but still lawfully); or luck/randomness; or something else!

jerry a. laska

I guess you didn’t view the video of the incident.

BTP

I actually agree with much of what you write, Saladman, including that I (presently!) have more clothes on than Adam!

I didn't realise the KC swore at the crew. That is indeed a very bad move if he did, and I lose a very hefty chunk of respect for him if he did. I remember the well publicised case of David Mellor KC launching into an expletive-laden tirade at a London cabbie - same goes there. I am always extremely careful never, ever to do this in such circumstances.

I would say that the reason I have been threatened with arrest multiple times is that I forcefully but lawfully argue my case, and that the counter-party finds it easier to make some form of threat of arrest than either respond to my points properly, or remedy the underlying issue... very hard for anyone else to agree or disagree as they weren't there... but I do believe that wokeism/crybullyism is a growing problem in our world today. Others can take any view on this they wish!

BTP

No! I will search it out later & view with interest!

PUCCI GALORE

I found something distasteful about this story two years ago. I have had the likes of him - especially one so-called Darling of Early Evening Telly swear and scream at me. It brought back memories of others whose self-importance demanded deference. All that said, I was not there then and so I can only rely on hearsay and gossip to relay the details of this seemingly unedifying experience, I do wonder what Mrs Banner and the two children went through then and afterwards with someone whose apparent arrogance knows no bounds.

All that was yesterday and yesterday is gone. Clearly he has got on with his life and good luck to him. Personally if I never hear of him again, I shall not grieve and he will not grieve for a single one of us as he neither knows nor cares two hoots about us,

May I say that I far prefer hearing what has happened to any of you - I feel that I am dealing with likeable people - rather than someone who makes me genuinely delighted not to be living in the UK. Enough said.

PAL62V

I am no legal expert, however if the 'gentleman' in question were to act that way when a presiding judge ruled against him in court, he would not be in a position to swear and carry on the way he allegedly did. On an aircraft, regardless of who YOU are, the crew are the defacto 'judge' and what they say goes.

Finland Station

Don't let that stand in the way of your passing judgment on the incident.

Wow.