High-flying barrister, 41, and his family are removed from BA flight at Heathrow
Mar 13, 2022, 7:51 am
#436
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What evidence is there that the QC had been drinking? The only mention of alcohol I recall reading has been from contributors here who were not on board that particular aircraft.
Whilst there is no precise medical definition there is a plethora of case law out there that helps define what being ‘drunk’ actually means. From what has been reported, I cannot see if that threshold has been met.
Whilst there is no precise medical definition there is a plethora of case law out there that helps define what being ‘drunk’ actually means. From what has been reported, I cannot see if that threshold has been met.
Mar 13, 2022, 8:45 am
#437
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Indeed, the law is very clear on that point, the consumption of alcohol is rarely a mitigating factor or an adequate defence when facing a criminal prosecution and often when a defendant attempts to advance such a defence it can misfire and aggravate!
Mar 13, 2022, 4:43 pm
#438
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Feb 10, 2024, 4:30 am
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Feb 10, 2024, 6:57 am
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Feb 10, 2024, 7:07 am
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It seems at least the paper has "confirmed" that the issue was the involuntary downgrade of said nanny. In the end, however they all acted (pax or crew), it was BA who caused the kurfuffle by over-selling the cabin...
Feb 10, 2024, 8:47 am
#443
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From his profile:
- ”An undoubted intellect who quickly understands a problem and offers solutions.” (Legal 500 UK Bar)
- “Responsive, proactive, willing to lead to draft, great advocate and strategist. Charles is brilliant on all counts; excellent oral and written advice and outstanding advocacy skills. He is very likeable as well.” (Legal 500 UK Bar)
Feb 10, 2024, 9:00 am
#444
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Rightly or wrongly, may confirm/ reinforce a lot of people in their views about recent approach to honours lists I guess….
Last edited by orbitmic; Feb 10, 2024 at 9:18 am
Feb 10, 2024, 9:01 am
#445
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From his profile:
- ”An undoubted intellect who quickly understands a problem and offers solutions.” (Legal 500 UK Bar)
- “Responsive, proactive, willing to lead to draft, great advocate and strategist. Charles is brilliant on all counts; excellent oral and written advice and outstanding advocacy skills. He is very likeable as well.” (Legal 500 UK Bar)
Feb 11, 2024, 2:09 am
#447
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I think it is risky in the extreme to consider anything in the DM to reach the level of "confirmation."
Feb 11, 2024, 3:54 am
#448
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I feel sorry for the children. Clearly their parents were too pre-occupied to be bothered with them.
Feb 11, 2024, 7:25 am
#449
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From his profile:
- ”An undoubted intellect who quickly understands a problem and offers solutions.” (Legal 500 UK Bar)
- “Responsive, proactive, willing to lead to draft, great advocate and strategist. Charles is brilliant on all counts; excellent oral and written advice and outstanding advocacy skills. He is very likeable as well.” (Legal 500 UK Bar)
Feb 11, 2024, 9:07 am
#450
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Interesting to read this thread now for the first time!
It's also interesting how many people are willing to draw conclusions about the original affair for which there is limited/no evidence.
I don't know what happened, but I gladly surmise that the KC argued forcefully in his interests, which after all is his job, and which the BA CC entirely wrongly regarded as him being disruptive/abusive or whatever, hence the ultimate escalation of the captain returning to stand, and police being called.
It seems to be a feature of this wokeist, crybully world in which we live, that there is a creeping attempt to criminalise forcefully arguing in favour of one's interests!
I have several times been threatened with arrest for arguing - forcefully but lawfully - in the course of my travels, against some plainly (to me) wrongful action or inaction on the part of staff (BA (twice), Swiss, Heathrow Express and UKBF). UKBF at LCY was the most amusing - I dared him to carry through with his threat of calling the police to have me arrested (I thought they had powers of arrest?). He meekly backed down!
It's also interesting how many people are willing to draw conclusions about the original affair for which there is limited/no evidence.
I don't know what happened, but I gladly surmise that the KC argued forcefully in his interests, which after all is his job, and which the BA CC entirely wrongly regarded as him being disruptive/abusive or whatever, hence the ultimate escalation of the captain returning to stand, and police being called.
It seems to be a feature of this wokeist, crybully world in which we live, that there is a creeping attempt to criminalise forcefully arguing in favour of one's interests!
I have several times been threatened with arrest for arguing - forcefully but lawfully - in the course of my travels, against some plainly (to me) wrongful action or inaction on the part of staff (BA (twice), Swiss, Heathrow Express and UKBF). UKBF at LCY was the most amusing - I dared him to carry through with his threat of calling the police to have me arrested (I thought they had powers of arrest?). He meekly backed down!