Mega Club Europe cabins
Dec 5, 2020, 7:41 am
#16
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in my experience (about two dozen flights since April) the busy-bodies who think they have the ‘right’ to police *their interpretation * of any rule (ie often wrongly- like for those with asthma), are always the ones who ignore distancing on boarding/leaving and seem to think that a face mask means distancing, hand washing or simple politeness are no longer needed.
In one case, the crew quite firmly told the offenders to leave them to do their job as only they knew who had underlying conditions.
Frankly BA crew do this very well.
as for spacing/distancing a little self responsibility wouldn’t go amiss. If someone is too close to you then move, or leave the situation.
Interesting reading on Euronews (use google) about how much lower risk flying is.
In one case, the crew quite firmly told the offenders to leave them to do their job as only they knew who had underlying conditions.
Frankly BA crew do this very well.
as for spacing/distancing a little self responsibility wouldn’t go amiss. If someone is too close to you then move, or leave the situation.
Interesting reading on Euronews (use google) about how much lower risk flying is.
Dec 5, 2020, 7:46 am
#17
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I agree we have to comply with government instructions, but this obsession with ‘holding one’s breath and turning the other way’ when someone passes them in the street has gone too far. It’s not Ebola. People seem to have misunderstood that from the outset. Surely we can’t all share the same air on this planet at this rate? I’ve had cumulative high viral load exposure at work for hours on end to people with the disease not wearing masks (the binliner that I wear being the only added PPE apart from my own mask) and I’ve managed not to get it thus far.
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Dec 5, 2020, 7:53 am
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While waiting at the baggage reclaim area at T5 Thursday afternoon, a young man stood next to me with a mask around his neck, but not his nose and mouth. I politely asked him to put it on and thankfully he complied. Not far away was an older (60s maybe) couple who were not wearing their masks. They were far enough away from me that I didn't feel the need to police them, but still I was surprised given their age how cavalier they were acting. (Then again, observing them from a little distance it didn't appear that they particularly cared for one another, so perhaps they were just trying to be put out of their misery. At least that's the story I'm going with.)
Dec 5, 2020, 8:00 am
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Dec 5, 2020, 11:13 am
#20
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To be clear, there was no problem with mask wearing on the flight. The crew made several announcements to remind people.
But the queueing in the aisle at the front wasn’t really dealt with. I mentioned it to the CSD and he then started reminding people to wait in their seats.
My point here is that this is a specific issue with massive club sections. Small club can cope with one toilet. Large economy can cope with two toilets down the back. Large Club is a problem.
But the queueing in the aisle at the front wasn’t really dealt with. I mentioned it to the CSD and he then started reminding people to wait in their seats.
My point here is that this is a specific issue with massive club sections. Small club can cope with one toilet. Large economy can cope with two toilets down the back. Large Club is a problem.
Dec 5, 2020, 1:10 pm
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I was thinking about that the other day while flying DXB-LHR. I was in 10K on the A350, so reasonably proximate to the toilet, but in many seats, irrespective of the cabin, if you follow the instructions to wait in your seat until the toilet is vacant you could find yourself waiting the entire flight as others jump the queue (so to speak). And I don't mean simply by queuing up, but rather even if waiting at their seat, beating you to it when the toilet frees up.
Maybe they should pass out number, like at the deli!
Maybe they should pass out number, like at the deli!
Dec 5, 2020, 3:42 pm
#22
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I’ve noticed that on many (particularly leisure) destinations BA are selling all the way back to Row 12-16 at Club right now. Lots of posts on this already, but some modern impacts.
This morning to TFS it went back to Row 15.
Some impacts...
- despite multiple reminders to wear masks, this mega cabin meant a permanent queue for the single toilet for the entire flight - with no enforcement of the COVID rules. One to four people queuing down the aisle. Horrible for 1C and 1D
- they ran out of champagne on the first serving. They had 15 mini bottles to serve 60 pax. The crew were relatively matter of fact about this when asked why. This is now normal - BA aren’t putting any extra bottles on no matter how far back the curtain slides.
This morning to TFS it went back to Row 15.
Some impacts...
- despite multiple reminders to wear masks, this mega cabin meant a permanent queue for the single toilet for the entire flight - with no enforcement of the COVID rules. One to four people queuing down the aisle. Horrible for 1C and 1D
- they ran out of champagne on the first serving. They had 15 mini bottles to serve 60 pax. The crew were relatively matter of fact about this when asked why. This is now normal - BA aren’t putting any extra bottles on no matter how far back the curtain slides.
personally the CE champagne is overrated. As long as they don’t run out of Ciroc I’m alright
Dec 5, 2020, 3:45 pm
#23
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route until BA take action.
Dec 5, 2020, 4:57 pm
#24
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I guess they had other drinks available but just ran out of champagne. I cannot understand this obsession people have with drinking champagne on a flight.
Dec 5, 2020, 5:35 pm
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To be clear, there was no problem with mask wearing on the flight. The crew made several announcements to remind people.
But the queueing in the aisle at the front wasn’t really dealt with. I mentioned it to the CSD and he then started reminding people to wait in their seats.
My point here is that this is a specific issue with massive club sections. Small club can cope with one toilet. Large economy can cope with two toilets down the back. Large Club is a problem.
But the queueing in the aisle at the front wasn’t really dealt with. I mentioned it to the CSD and he then started reminding people to wait in their seats.
My point here is that this is a specific issue with massive club sections. Small club can cope with one toilet. Large economy can cope with two toilets down the back. Large Club is a problem.
as for the champagne, the issue i guess is that it’s standard bars that are loaded, not bars which take account of the curtain position. They should adjust the leisure routes in particular rather than just have a standard load. And likewise, pay the €1 or whatever similar figure to uplift ice downroute on Band 4 routes. How hard can it be.
Dec 5, 2020, 6:32 pm
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Dec 5, 2020, 8:47 pm
#28
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I wonder if this has something to do with the space flex cabins that are being fitted to more and more aircraft. Afaik the space flex galley is much smaller so its not that easy to find extra space for booze. Overhead bins tend to be quite full too. BA likely has a fixed way to cater space flex aircraft and adjusting it would be a logistical nightmare.
That being said I never had a CE flight that ran out of champagne, so the flight OP was on might have just been a statistical outlier.
That being said I never had a CE flight that ran out of champagne, so the flight OP was on might have just been a statistical outlier.
Dec 6, 2020, 1:33 am
#29
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This is my first post and I have been a long term “lurker”. I used to be crew for bmi and when we operated routes that the company “knew were heavy booze drinking routes” we operated such as EDI to CPH, whilst we did not uplift another bar in CPH, catering in EDI would load an additional box of booze and soft drinks which we would store in the overhead lockers along with a ice that was loaded in a dry ice box solely for the inbound flight. It’s a shame that BA don’t do this sort of thing now when they know the Club cabin is so large.
Dec 6, 2020, 2:26 am
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youd think so but i have been on flights where they run out of white wine (personal fave) the point being how can they regularly fail to adequately cater for a return on so many CE flights for both bar and food.