Denied boarding, tricky one
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The OP's case might well turn on the specific wording of Qatar's COVID rules. IF the rule was phrased as "no entry for non-Qatari nationals/residents...but this does not affect passengers who remain airside / don't leave the airport" then the OP could have a case. Equally, if the rules were set out as "customers in transit to a third country are allowed airside" then the OP is screwed as there are only 2 countries involved in his trip. Perhaps the OP can contact the Qatari embassy and see if they have a copy of the rules?
You might think the OP has a weak case, but he has acted in good faith and the outcome here could be quite harsh. He deserves some sympathy.
You might think the OP has a weak case, but he has acted in good faith and the outcome here could be quite harsh. He deserves some sympathy.
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The OP's case might well turn on the specific wording of Qatar's COVID rules. IF the rule was phrased as "no entry for non-Qatari nationals/residents...but this does not affect passengers who remain airside / don't leave the airport" then the OP could have a case. Equally, if the rules were set out as "customers in transit to a third country are allowed airside" then the OP is screwed as there are only 2 countries involved in his trip. Perhaps the OP can contact the Qatari embassy and see if they have a copy of the rules?
You might think the OP has a weak case, but he has acted in good faith and the outcome here could be quite harsh. He deserves some sympathy.
You might think the OP has a weak case, but he has acted in good faith and the outcome here could be quite harsh. He deserves some sympathy.
Last edited by 1Aturnleft; Nov 29, 2020 at 5:21 pm
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We had similar issue on Thursday, LHR-DOH-VIE. we were denied boarding. I already filed a claim for the costs, expenses, etc... 7 days before MCOL. On friday i got email saying our documents are in fact OK and to ask BA to reissue the ticket for today or tomorrow. BA wont reissue because we were denied boarding and the policies changed since when we were booked.
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Thanks,
Despite the disappointment, we are off on LHR-CDG-FRA-ZRH-GRU-BOG on Friday for 10days,(to keep ourselves entertained), with a team offsite in Cartagena over the weekend. It has been a while since i did LX F so will be nice to retry it after LH pulled most of 747s out of the skies.
Despite the disappointment, we are off on LHR-CDG-FRA-ZRH-GRU-BOG on Friday for 10days,(to keep ourselves entertained), with a team offsite in Cartagena over the weekend. It has been a while since i did LX F so will be nice to retry it after LH pulled most of 747s out of the skies.
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The OP's case might well turn on the specific wording of Qatar's COVID rules. IF the rule was phrased as "no entry for non-Qatari nationals/residents...but this does not affect passengers who remain airside / don't leave the airport" then the OP could have a case.Equally, if the rules were set out as "customers in transit to a third country are allowed airside" then the OP is screwed as there are only 2 countries involved in his trip. Perhaps the OP can contact the Qatari embassy and see if they have a copy of the rules?
https://www.visitqatar.qa/en/plan-your-trip/travel-tips
If OP deserves sympathy, QR would have let OP to board and complete the trip as-is. This is the sympathy OP should get and yet OP did not have it.
My friend - do you mind educating me how EC261 applies here? At the minimum, OP was IDBed because of OP's failure to comply necessary immigration rules.
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Howard Long (OP) who had LHR-DOH-LHR booked and was denied as he did not have any right to enter Qatar and it was not a transit.
nufnuf77, whom Tobias-UK was replying to, and had LHR-DOH-VIE booked and was denied boarding since QR staff incorrectly believed he did not have a right to enter Austria, a clear mistake in his case and therefore gives rise to a claim for denied boarding under Art. 4 EC261.
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This thread reminds me of US and EU passport users who thought they could use airside TWOV to do cheap trips to/from China only to find out that a roundtrip ticket to and from China even when heading back on the same plane as the one coming in -- and having no need to even go landside for any reason -- wasn't going to fly with the airline and not necessarily reliably even with the Chinese personnel manning airside TWOV stations.
If you're going to try to game around a restriction, then note there are risks of facing an unwelcome situation when the game is being done on a basis that is short of adequate information and experience to avoid an unwelcome surprise on the intended day of travel.
If you're going to try to game around a restriction, then note there are risks of facing an unwelcome situation when the game is being done on a basis that is short of adequate information and experience to avoid an unwelcome surprise on the intended day of travel.
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Isn't this a clear case of fraud that they are refusing to refund you your miles? If you were a no show that would be one thing but they wouldn't let you go so no trip, no miles. I'd personally be looking into a civil suit and contacting the government to get your miles back.
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Isn't this a clear case of fraud that they are refusing to refund you your miles? If you were a no show that would be one thing but they wouldn't let you go so no trip, no miles. I'd personally be looking into a civil suit and contacting the government to get your miles back.
It is the passenger’s responsibility to ensure they are permitted to fly to their destination.
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I'm sorry to hear about this headache you had to go through, but as others already said here, why choose Qatar as a stopover in the first place?
If possible, I'm definitely avoiding going there and doing business with Qatar Airways in the future.
If possible, I'm definitely avoiding going there and doing business with Qatar Airways in the future.
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From a philosophical point of view, while the OP did not intend to legally enter Qatar, the purpose of his trip was not for transit. It was to go to Qatar for a meeting to be held on Qatari territory. So if a visa would normally be required and I were in charge of a country's visa policy, I would require a visa for such a trip even if not entering the country - which is much like China's TWOV policy.
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OK, most of my trips are domestic and not international so I'm not totally educated on different entry requirements and what happens if you are denied boarding due to not meeting those requirements. Thanks.
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FWIW I travelled Swiss longhaul F to/from HKG in March on a newly refurbed A340-600, just as the Covid shutters were coming down, https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32168464-post471.html, a brief synopsis is below: spoiler alert; a great place to sleep, dining not quite so much, but I am sure it'll be far better than BA F at the moment..
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Qatar wasnt just a stopover , it was the destination
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I suspect QR system would detect an impossible itinerary and cancel one or both flights. You can’t be travelling to IST and LHR at the same time.