May 17, 2019, 5:06 am
Last edit by: Scotflyer80
Best seats on A350 guide: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...on-thread.html
Future route speculation: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...my-flight.html
Background discussion on the Club Suites (historical): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...on-thread.html
Madrid training flights - meetup thread (historical): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...ps-thread.html
British Airways has revealed the configuration for its Airbus A350-1000 (56J 56W 219Y):
First A350 flights have also been revealed:
More pics and details at https://www.ausbt.com.au/british-air...ess-class-seat
Flights planned to be operated by a A350
Summer 2021 (Updated: 9th February 2021)
Austin - Daily
Buenos Aires via São Paulo - Daily
Denver - Daily
Dubai - 3 x Weekly (Tuesday to Thursday)
Las Vegas - Daily
Newark - 2 x Weekly (Monday/Sunday)
Vancouver - Daily
Winter 2021 (Updated: 9th February 2021)
Bangalore - Daily
Boston - 9 x Weekly
BA213/212 - Daily
BA215/214 - 2 x Weekly (Mon/Sun)
Chicago - 2 x Daily
Mumbai - Daily (BA139/138)
San Diego - Daily
Tel Aviv - Daily (BA163/162)
Washington - 3 x Weekly (BA293/292 Tuesday to Thursday)
Vancouver - Daily
Future route speculation: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...my-flight.html
Background discussion on the Club Suites (historical): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...on-thread.html
Madrid training flights - meetup thread (historical): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...ps-thread.html
British Airways has revealed the configuration for its Airbus A350-1000 (56J 56W 219Y):
- 56 business class featuring all-new Club Suites
- 56 premium economy
- 219 economy
- (BA maintains that no A350s will have first class)
- 10x Weekly flights.
- Daily on BA464/465
- 3x Weekly (Thurs, Sat, Sun) on BA456/457
- No end date yet.
- See for more details: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...ps-thread.html
- A Couple of days are NO OP due to training and other requirements.
First A350 flights have also been revealed:
- 02 to 06 Sep, 09 to 30 Sep, and from 08 Oct 2019 daily to Dubai (DXB) - BA107/106
- from 01 Oct 2019, daily to Toronto (YYZ) - BA92/93
- from 01 Dec 2019, daily to Tel Aviv (TLV) - BA163/162
- from 01 Jan 2020, daily to Bangalore (BLR) - BA119/118
- from 01 Mar 2020, double daily to Dubai (DXB) - BA107/106 & BA105/104
More pics and details at https://www.ausbt.com.au/british-air...ess-class-seat
Flights planned to be operated by a A350
Summer 2021 (Updated: 9th February 2021)
Austin - Daily
Buenos Aires via São Paulo - Daily
Denver - Daily
Dubai - 3 x Weekly (Tuesday to Thursday)
Las Vegas - Daily
Newark - 2 x Weekly (Monday/Sunday)
Vancouver - Daily
Winter 2021 (Updated: 9th February 2021)
Bangalore - Daily
Boston - 9 x Weekly
BA213/212 - Daily
BA215/214 - 2 x Weekly (Mon/Sun)
Chicago - 2 x Daily
Mumbai - Daily (BA139/138)
San Diego - Daily
Tel Aviv - Daily (BA163/162)
Washington - 3 x Weekly (BA293/292 Tuesday to Thursday)
Vancouver - Daily
Flying BA’s Airbus A350: deliveries, routes, reviews and more
Jul 19, 2019, 7:02 am
#391
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 35
Jul 19, 2019, 8:35 am
#393
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Programs: BA GGL, BA LTG/GFL, Honors Diamond, Accor Platinum, Bonvoy Silver
Posts: 718
Just received a downgrade email F to J on DXB.
On looking at the seating map however it’s an a350 with new J.
The usual terms - keep tier points, lounge access, baggage allowance and receive “an appropriate refund after travel”.
Hmmm. Would that be reimbursement of 75% of the downgraded sector (excluding taxes) as per 261 downgrades or perhaps it will be treated as a “cancellation and rebook at the earliest opportunity” which you therefore accept the downgrade by flying, with a refund of the difference in fare applicable at time of booking/BA’s internal calculation.
Given it’s a new J a350, I keep CCR and TP, I’ll take the downgrade and see what comes back.
Complicated by 2 people in my group being on a 241, 1 (me) being on a cash GUF booked with Propeller on the “old” TP rules and moved from A to F when they stopped selling A on DXB...
On looking at the seating map however it’s an a350 with new J.
The usual terms - keep tier points, lounge access, baggage allowance and receive “an appropriate refund after travel”.
Hmmm. Would that be reimbursement of 75% of the downgraded sector (excluding taxes) as per 261 downgrades or perhaps it will be treated as a “cancellation and rebook at the earliest opportunity” which you therefore accept the downgrade by flying, with a refund of the difference in fare applicable at time of booking/BA’s internal calculation.
Given it’s a new J a350, I keep CCR and TP, I’ll take the downgrade and see what comes back.
Complicated by 2 people in my group being on a 241, 1 (me) being on a cash GUF booked with Propeller on the “old” TP rules and moved from A to F when they stopped selling A on DXB...
Jul 19, 2019, 8:51 am
#395
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Programs: BA GGL, BA LTG/GFL, Honors Diamond, Accor Platinum, Bonvoy Silver
Posts: 718
here’s the exact email:
Dear Customer
We're writing to let you know that there has been a change to the aircraft that will operate your flight to Dubai International Airport.
We’ve had to make some adjustments to our schedule so you can fly to your destination as planned. Unfortunately, this aircraft doesn’t have a First cabin. We’re very sorry for any inconvenience this may cause and would like to offer you the following options:
1. You can travel in Club World on the flight you have booked. You will receive the appropriate refund to reflect your new cabin of travel, and this refund will be actioned immediately after you have travelled.
2. You can rebook onto an alternative British Airways operated service with a First cabin between London Heathrow (LHR) and Dubai International (DXB) on or as close as possible to your original travel date.
Should you select option 1, your original baggage allowance and lounge access will be honoured, alongside any Executive Club Tier Points and Avios. We have protected a seat in Club World for you which can be viewed in Manage my booking.
Please contact us to discuss further rebooking options.
If you did not book directly with British Airways, please contact your travel agent. If you have made this booking on behalf of someone else, or if it includes other travellers, please ensure everyone travelling is aware of the changes.
We apologise in advance for a change to your travel plans and any inconvenience caused.
Warm Regards,
British Airways Customer Service
We're writing to let you know that there has been a change to the aircraft that will operate your flight to Dubai International Airport.
We’ve had to make some adjustments to our schedule so you can fly to your destination as planned. Unfortunately, this aircraft doesn’t have a First cabin. We’re very sorry for any inconvenience this may cause and would like to offer you the following options:
1. You can travel in Club World on the flight you have booked. You will receive the appropriate refund to reflect your new cabin of travel, and this refund will be actioned immediately after you have travelled.
2. You can rebook onto an alternative British Airways operated service with a First cabin between London Heathrow (LHR) and Dubai International (DXB) on or as close as possible to your original travel date.
Should you select option 1, your original baggage allowance and lounge access will be honoured, alongside any Executive Club Tier Points and Avios. We have protected a seat in Club World for you which can be viewed in Manage my booking.
Please contact us to discuss further rebooking options.
If you did not book directly with British Airways, please contact your travel agent. If you have made this booking on behalf of someone else, or if it includes other travellers, please ensure everyone travelling is aware of the changes.
We apologise in advance for a change to your travel plans and any inconvenience caused.
Warm Regards,
British Airways Customer Service
Jul 19, 2019, 8:57 am
#396
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: London
Programs: BA Silver, ZSL Silver
Posts: 2,552
That's great. As a Silver, I'd be pretty happy with that - take the refund, try the new cabin and keep the First Wing/CCR, and wait for the F TPs to post.
Jul 19, 2019, 9:04 am
#397
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Toronto
Programs: BA Exec Club - Demoted to Bronze and re-promoted to Silver alongside AC Elite 50K (gold) in 2022
Posts: 393
they could do the AC style of rostering aircraft where the two aircraft do three rotations between them a day on a rolling 2 day pattern
Ie
LHR MAD LHR (dep 0620 returns 1215 local times)
LHR - YYZ - LHR (dep 1700 returning 0950 ish)
LHR DXB LHR (dep 1215 returns 0615 local times)
but you'd need to drop the madrid departure back one flight number in the schedule for it to fit. so each frame over 48 hours does 2 x LH and 1 x SH.
BA must have some of the poorest utilisation for LH aircraft. I track what comes into YYZ and the same aircraft often returns the next day having sat on the ground for 6/7 hours. That said, the LH puncuality is pretty good other than short notice techs. Compare that to AC - I flew home ealier this week on a 788 which came in overnight from SFO and went on to do SFO - YYZ - LHR - YVR - LHR - YYZ - Milan - YYZ - SFO - YYZ over a three day cycle with 2 hour turnaround throughout and is now repeating the pattern. Mind you it does explain why they have the worst OTP in N America even before the MAX debacle!!
Ie
LHR MAD LHR (dep 0620 returns 1215 local times)
LHR - YYZ - LHR (dep 1700 returning 0950 ish)
LHR DXB LHR (dep 1215 returns 0615 local times)
but you'd need to drop the madrid departure back one flight number in the schedule for it to fit. so each frame over 48 hours does 2 x LH and 1 x SH.
BA must have some of the poorest utilisation for LH aircraft. I track what comes into YYZ and the same aircraft often returns the next day having sat on the ground for 6/7 hours. That said, the LH puncuality is pretty good other than short notice techs. Compare that to AC - I flew home ealier this week on a 788 which came in overnight from SFO and went on to do SFO - YYZ - LHR - YVR - LHR - YYZ - Milan - YYZ - SFO - YYZ over a three day cycle with 2 hour turnaround throughout and is now repeating the pattern. Mind you it does explain why they have the worst OTP in N America even before the MAX debacle!!
Jul 19, 2019, 9:12 am
#398
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: LHR, LGW
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 3,444
they could do the AC style of rostering aircraft where the two aircraft do three rotations between them a day on a rolling 2 day pattern
BA must have some of the poorest utilisation for LH aircraft. I track what comes into YYZ and the same aircraft often returns the next day having sat on the ground for 6/7 hours.
BA must have some of the poorest utilisation for LH aircraft. I track what comes into YYZ and the same aircraft often returns the next day having sat on the ground for 6/7 hours.
If this is the case and on an ongoing basis, then there really no excuse, whatsoever for a dirty cabin. I do not care if it costs more to clean for a bit longer and deeper but at least utilise some of that time.
But I digress! That’s for another thread
Jul 19, 2019, 9:29 am
#399
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: LON
Programs: Mucci, BAEC, Eurostar
Posts: 3,294
Jul 19, 2019, 9:46 am
#400
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bristol, UK
Programs: HH D, Rad VIP, Marriott G
Posts: 5,359
Jul 19, 2019, 10:20 am
#401
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 47
Just received a downgrade email F to J on DXB.
On looking at the seating map however it’s an a350 with new J.
The usual terms - keep tier points, lounge access, baggage allowance and receive “an appropriate refund after travel”.
Hmmm. Would that be reimbursement of 75% of the downgraded sector (excluding taxes) as per 261 downgrades or perhaps it will be treated as a “cancellation and rebook at the earliest opportunity” which you therefore accept the downgrade by flying, with a refund of the difference in fare applicable at time of booking/BA’s internal calculation.
Given it’s a new J a350, I keep CCR and TP, I’ll take the downgrade and see what comes back.
Complicated by 2 people in my group being on a 241, 1 (me) being on a cash GUF booked with Propeller on the “old” TP rules and moved from A to F when they stopped selling A on DXB...
On looking at the seating map however it’s an a350 with new J.
The usual terms - keep tier points, lounge access, baggage allowance and receive “an appropriate refund after travel”.
Hmmm. Would that be reimbursement of 75% of the downgraded sector (excluding taxes) as per 261 downgrades or perhaps it will be treated as a “cancellation and rebook at the earliest opportunity” which you therefore accept the downgrade by flying, with a refund of the difference in fare applicable at time of booking/BA’s internal calculation.
Given it’s a new J a350, I keep CCR and TP, I’ll take the downgrade and see what comes back.
Complicated by 2 people in my group being on a 241, 1 (me) being on a cash GUF booked with Propeller on the “old” TP rules and moved from A to F when they stopped selling A on DXB...
I assume based on the email I get the avios back as stated plus the difference in taxes, and the 241 makes no difference to this.
Annoyingly the refund and the avios don;t come back to me until after I have flown the sector.
However all of this is made up for by flying the new Club Suite. I would have preferrred the avios back sooner though.
This is on 28 Sep.
Jul 19, 2019, 10:56 am
#402
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Newcastle-upon-Tyne
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 177
Jul 19, 2019, 11:24 am
#403
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 47
I think you are correct, it's the avios I'm more interested in getting back sooner. I assume all that would be returned is the difference between a first and club redemption, which makes sense.
I will keep the downgrade as I think trying the new product will be interesting. My first first will have to wait!
I will keep the downgrade as I think trying the new product will be interesting. My first first will have to wait!
Jul 20, 2019, 1:21 am
#404
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bristol, UK
Programs: HH D, Rad VIP, Marriott G
Posts: 5,359
I was curious whether BA would be selling the new A350 Club Suite flights at higher prices for the first month of DXB compared to other (normal 777) club seats (at least until YYZ starts up) and for the 4 spot checks I did, it seems that one leg of the Club Suite flights will always book into R class (the other I) in Sept. (regardless of day picked, assuming a week and a Saturday night stay)...
I appreciate that potentially the flight timings may have something to do with this and I'm not at all familiar with pricing on this route, simply curious what others think, is BA charging more for the A350 flights over the 777's as they know people will want to try it or is it more of the flight timings that are causing the premium? Generally I found the 777 books into I for both out and return, the A350 usually R out and I back but I did see a few that were I out and R back...
For a return the variance was between £100 and £700 (roughly) depending on the date picked. (always a week, always a Sat. night stay)
Haven't checked after the YYZ route starts up as well, maybe it goes down then...
Thoughts?
I appreciate that potentially the flight timings may have something to do with this and I'm not at all familiar with pricing on this route, simply curious what others think, is BA charging more for the A350 flights over the 777's as they know people will want to try it or is it more of the flight timings that are causing the premium? Generally I found the 777 books into I for both out and return, the A350 usually R out and I back but I did see a few that were I out and R back...
For a return the variance was between £100 and £700 (roughly) depending on the date picked. (always a week, always a Sat. night stay)
Haven't checked after the YYZ route starts up as well, maybe it goes down then...
Thoughts?