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Welcome to the thread. This is a continuation of the highly popular 2017 Tier Point thread. We keep track of other prices, as well as useful reference information for those planning tier point runs.

Please read the first few posts in this thread first as it contains lots of information which may answer your question.

This is a community-maintained wiki post. Please add important information to it or correct outdated information by clicking the "Edit" button below.

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See here in post #9 for a 2018 archive of exEU sale fare, and see this post in the 2017 thread for last years’ archive of exEU sale fares.

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This thread lists attractive tier point (TP) runs under £3 per TP grouped within different (departure) geographies

Please note that current availability is not guaranteed and all prices include taxes. Please use the following convention when adding tier point runs to this wiki post:
Date fare checked Price per Tier Point Total Price Total Tier Points Route Booking Classes Booking Channel Credit Notes (if applicable) Airlines

Please remember to:
  • Convert currencies to GBP, rounding to the nearest pound.
  • Post full routes and full booking classes.
  • Note any restrictions on booking in the Notes section.
  • List in order of price per tier point within the relevant departure area.

Please see the links at the bottom of the wiki for archives of runs from previous years.

From Europe
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3Feb 200TPs DUB-LHR-HEL/HEL-LHR all I class ba.com
From North, Central and South America

23Sep £1.48/TP £650 (US$853) 440 TPs JFK-CLT/BOS-LAX-LAS and return all I class aa.com
6Sep £1.50/TP US$457 240TPs RIC-CLT-DCA-BOS, BOS-LGA/PHL-CLT-RIC all I class aa.com
Jan/Feb wide open £1.94/TP £700(US$883) 360 TPs SEA-CLT-MCO-PHX-SEA all I class aa.com



From Middle East, Asia and Australasia
18Jan £1.58/TP £883 560 CMB-xHKG-CGK return I cathaypacific.com ermen CX
28Feb £1.44/TP £575 400 MCT-DOH-BKK-DOH-MCT A/R/R/A travel.americanexpress.co.uk QR
21Feb £1.53/TP £860 560 HKG-CMB-MEL return I Expedia.com.hk Firemin UL
16Mar £1.22/TP £687 560 CGK-CMB-DXB return I srilankan.com Firemin UL
01Apr £0.87/TP £314 360 PEN-KUL-KTM return Malaysian.com cgtechuk MH
01Apr £1.19/TP £335 280 KUL-PER return Malaysian.com cgtechuk MH
01Apr £1.28/TP £335 360 PEN-KUL-PER return Malaysian.com cgtechuk MH
05Apr £2.00/TP £320 160 CAN-HKG-TPE return CathayPacific.com littlevoices CX/KA (flexible fare, bookable up to 24 hours in advance, allows stopovers, book with CX directly)

From Africa


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Need a year-end TP run (ex-LON) to make / retain status?
Some tips for searching for the year-end TP run for newcomers, the below is indicative only, but hopefully provides a bit of guidance for relatively straightforward runs ex-LON. Some information on how to use ITA matrix is in post #4 of this thread (or just click here) along with these ideas, might come in handy. Feel free to share results, problems or general questions in the thread as these may not always work and there might be better deals out there...

For overnight trips remember to check BA and Iberia for their flights and hotel option as well, can get hotel for almost no extra cost at times

Need 80 TPs or fewer
Club Europe return somewhere close by is best - DUB, AMS and JER usually cheapest along with UK domestic returns. Additionally you may find that trips in to mainland Europe require a one night stay whereas the cheapest domestic CE returns do not have any minimum stay so can be booked as a same day return. If doing a back to back AMS and JER can be easier than DUB for an immediate turnaround - more information can be found in the back to back thread listed in the forum dashboard. The BA.com low fare finder can be very useful.

If you need as few as 45 TPs you might consider booking economy flights and hoping for a proactive online upgrade offer - but they're not guaranteed to materialise (so not one if you have no more time left in your TP collection year). Alternatively, booking a return to one of the 40 tier point destinations with one way in CE and the return in ET (or vice versa if cheaper). UK domestic route, Bilbao, Jersey and Amsterdam seem the most cost effective for this.

Need 85-120 TPs
Iberia flights via MAD to regional Spanish airports will get you 120 TPs as the domestic Spanish flights are 20 TPs in business. Under £300 including hotel can be available. Check BIO, GRX, VLC, BCN, SVQ etc. Example here

Need 125-160 TPs
Take a look at the shorthaul plus routes earning 80 TPs each way in business listed in the first post of this thread, MLA, IST, HEL and RAK are usually available. If time sensitive take a look at BA flight and hotel option to HEL, where you can usually get the last BA flight out on a Saturday, airport hotel and first return Sunday for well under £500.

Alternative options include positioning to JER and flying JER-LGW-XXX (AMS usually works well and avoids switching airports).

Need more than 160 TPs
You'll most likely be heading north then - OSL or VNO via HEL will get you 240 TPs, as will JER-LGW/LHR-HEL e.g. LHR-HEL-OSL for £520.
DUB-LHR-HEL return (or return to LHR) is currently a very efficient way of hitting 200-240 TPs
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 1:13 am
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If routing OTP-LHR-PHL-PHX on BA how easy to know if it’s refurbed 744 on 25Aug ? I’m sure PHL has new trolley service & bedding ? Right ? Will not be taking the AA A330 - looks awful.

Also the AA A321 PHL-PHX will have IFE ? Anyway of telling that ? Lottery ?

I only ask ask about PHL as thinking it will be quieter than JFK and have seen a YouTube video of the AA 737 used on JFK-PHX with no IFE !

Will not not be going via LAX as do not have the time & extra TP not needed.

Any info appreciated. Cheers
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 1:22 am
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Originally Posted by THEOBCMAN
Will not be taking the AA A330 - looks awful.
Really? Have you tried it?

In my opinion, it is an excellent product - better than current CW hard product (every seat has aisle access). I'm sure many on this board agree. Yes, the photos you may see online are dated, but it is still a very good way to cross the Atlantic.
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 1:31 am
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Originally Posted by rossmacd
Really? Have you tried it?

In my opinion, it is an excellent product - better than current CW hard product (every seat has aisle access). I'm sure many on this board agree. Yes, the photos you may see online are dated, but it is still a very good way to cross the Atlantic.
Maybe I did see an outdated report. Seat was reportedly too hard, too upright and IFE failed for whole flight (not for first time CC said) But will still be taking BA anyway.

Any my info on the rest of it ?
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 2:27 am
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Extend stays on return

Originally Posted by JMurray
Super helpful - thanks so much. To HKG we go.
First of all Hello to all and thank you so much for taking your time to post all this valuable information. I was playing around with the Matrix and know pretty much how it works. Although I am trying to find a way to tell the Matrix that I would like to stay a couple of days in BKK and SIN on the Hong Kong TP run. Is that possible? Or would that be a Multi-City and it would ruin the price?

Also if I calculate correctly, the run would bring 40 + 140 + 140 + 140 + 140 +40 = 640TP - Is that correct?

Thank you!
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 2:33 am
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Originally Posted by Richard44
First of all Hello to all and thank you so much for taking your time to post all this valuable information. I was playing around with the Matrix and know pretty much how it works. Although I am trying to find a way to tell the Matrix that I would like to stay a couple of days in BKK and SIN on the Hong Kong TP run. Is that possible? Or would that be a Multi-City and it would ruin the price?

Also if I calculate correctly, the run would bring 40 + 140 + 140 + 140 + 140 +40 = 640TP - Is that correct?

Thank you!
Richard
"Welcome to FT"

You can do that on ITA Matrix by using multi-city, as you correctly pointed out. But the fare rules do mean that you will be paying an extra EUR 100 per stopover.
If you do route through Singapore, then one of your flights would probably be LHR-SIN or v.v., in which case, it would yield 160TP instead of the 140TP for LHR-HKG.
The HKG-BKK and BKK-SIN flights each only give 40TP.
So for a AMS-LHR-HKG-BKK-SIN-LHR-AMS itinerary, as quoted, it should be 40 + 140 + 40 + 40 + 160 + 40 = 460TP.
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 2:50 am
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Originally Posted by 07L 25R
"Welcome to FT"

You can do that on ITA Matrix by using multi-city, as you correctly pointed out. But the fare rules do mean that you will be paying an extra EUR 100 per stopover.
If you do route through Singapore, then one of your flights would probably be LHR-SIN or v.v., in which case, it would yield 160TP instead of the 140TP for LHR-HKG.
The HKG-BKK and BKK-SIN flights each only give 40TP.
So for a AMS-LHR-HKG-BKK-SIN-LHR-AMS itinerary, as quoted, it should be 40 + 140 + 40 + 40 + 160 + 40 = 460TP.
When taking this fare although it isnt the most TP efficient one you have to watch out for MH (Malaysian Flights) that are booked into I class as they earn 0 you need either Z or the better option which is to have Cathay instead
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 2:52 am
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Originally Posted by THEOBCMAN


Maybe I did see an outdated report. Seat was reportedly too hard, too upright and IFE failed for whole flight (not for first time CC said) But will still be taking BA anyway.

Any my info on the rest of it ?
Your loss

To check if it is a refurbished 747, check the seat map and if there are 86 business seats - this will be the indicator to check the status of the 747.

The AA A321 between PHL-PHX will likely be an unfurnished LUS A321, so meaning no IFE or even power in some of them.
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 3:22 am
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Originally Posted by rossmacd
Your loss

To check if it is a refurbished 747, check the seat map and if there are 86 business seats - this will be the indicator to check the status of the 747.

The AA A321 between PHL-PHX will likely be an unfurnished LUS A321, so meaning no IFE or even power in some of them.
OK cheers. Thanks for the info. Will check seat map & take my chance on the A321. Maybe catch up on some sleep if so. Always enjoy CW & bouncing around airports/lounges anyway so all good ! 👍


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Old Apr 9, 2018, 3:29 am
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Originally Posted by 07L 25R
"Welcome to FT"

You can do that on ITA Matrix by using multi-city, as you correctly pointed out. But the fare rules do mean that you will be paying an extra EUR 100 per stopover.
If you do route through Singapore, then one of your flights would probably be LHR-SIN or v.v., in which case, it would yield 160TP instead of the 140TP for LHR-HKG.
The HKG-BKK and BKK-SIN flights each only give 40TP.
So for a AMS-LHR-HKG-BKK-SIN-LHR-AMS itinerary, as quoted, it should be 40 + 140 + 40 + 40 + 160 + 40 = 460TP.
Perfect, it worked for 1510 GBP with 5-6 days in each city with the Multi-City option. Unbelievable...

Thank you so much for your help!
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 4:00 am
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Originally Posted by Richard44
Perfect, it worked for 1510 GBP with 5-6 days in each city with the Multi-City option. Unbelievable...

Thank you so much for your help!
enjoy!
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 7:52 am
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OTP-PHX Tier Point Run - mini trip report

Hi everyone. I am just about to complete the final leg of the OTP - PHX run, so I thought I would do a mini trip report in the hope that I might provide some tips for others doing it later in the year (and when I say final leg, I mean final for me - I am currently at HEL and finishing at LHR tonight - I can’t afford the time to do the final run to OTP, so I’m ditching that and will take 940 TPs from the trip).

Before I get into it, a massive thanks to rossmacd and KARFA - I wouldn’t have known about this or been able to book this trip without their invaluable posts.

I’ll do this as bullets - it is a bit easier!

Thursday 5th April: LHR to OTP - positioning flight
  • I couldn’t find any redemptions or otherwise cheap flights on BA to get out to OTP to start my trip, so I flew LH via FRA - this worked out for me because I wanted to check out T2 at Heathrow
  • T2 and LH were great, but that’s another story
  • Uber from OTP to Hilton Athenee Palace was easy - it was RON 40 which is GBP 7.60 / EUR 8.40
  • You meet your Uber driver in the car park directly outside arrivals
  • Watch out for drivers cancelling your request at OTP - I had a few do that before someone accepted - there were lots of drivers around at 18:00, however, so you shouldn’t have a problem
  • Hilton Athenee Palace is nice, if getting little dated. As a Lifetime Diamond I got upgraded to a Presidential Suite, but it was just a few sporadic bits of old furniture spread throughout lots of space - I’d rather have had a smaller room on the same floor as the lounge - perhaps someone can confirm whether those are newly renovated
  • I met two great FTers in the Exec Lounge doing pretty much the same route. Hi guys!

Friday 6th April: OTP to LHR to HEL
  • Again, easy Uber to OTP - there were several drivers around at 6am
  • Two very basic lounges on offer at OTP. I went to the MasterCard Business Lounge but there wasn’t much on offer, so I waited for breakfast on the plane
  • Great service on the BA0885 (my only BA flight of the whole trip), and an easy transfer from T5 to T3
  • I purposefully gave myself a long layover in LHR to get some work done in the peace of the Cathay Pacific First lounge, which is wonderful
  • I flew on the 16:10 Finnair departure to HEL (I love Finnair - light, airy interior and great food), arriving HEL at 21:00
  • I stayed in the Hilton at the airport which was fantastic, not least since I was given a room with a sauna in it. I highly recommend this hotel - I’m just sad I didn’t have longer in it! I'm definitely planning on going back to HEL to see the city

Saturday 7th April: HEL to LHR to JFK to PHX
  • This was the long one. I left the Hilton at 06:00 for the 08:00 departure (on the A350) to LHR. Great plane, great breakfast and all-in-all a great flight
  • Now, the only stressful bit of the trip. I was due to arrive at 09:10 from HEL, and get the 10:15 (AA101) to JFK, which I’d never do again - it was far too short a connection! Due to inevitable stacking at LHR we didn’t land until 09:30, and then had a long taxi to the gate. We didn’t disembark until 09:45, and I think I only made it because I sprinted (literally) through T3 and had no delays at security. For anyone doing this connection I would recommend getting the 11:25 BA flight from T5.
  • I’d never done AA long haul before so decided to try them out. Despite some obviously newer interiors, I think I prefer BA. I found the interior of the AA plane quite oppressive (dark greys) and the food was nothing special, at all.
  • T8 JFK international arrival was a joke - people everywhere in all manner of queues trying to get through immigration and a handful off staff yelling at everyone and not making any sense. I think you’d be better off arriving on BA at T7 and getting the AirTrain to T8 for the PHX flight.
  • Security at T8 was another joke. There is a priority line but that is only to get your boarding pass and passport checked - you then join the regular queue! I think we have it good at T5, particularly with the First Wing!
  • The AA Flagship lounge is really good, if a little busy. Fairly average hot and cold food offerings. Not as hearty as Galleries First at T5.
  • Comfortable 5 hour flight on a B737-800 to Phoenix, in an armchair like recliner seat. Pre-order your meal (I didn’t) because they carry hardly any spares so you’re unlikely to get your choice if you’re behind the first two rows
  • 24 hours after leaving HEL I arrived in PHX. Easy Uber to the Hilton Garden Inn Downtown for $15
  • Hotel was spacious and clean, but expensive ($200 for one night). Downtown was dead on Saturday night but I explored a little, because I love seeing new places.
  • I purposefully got up at 2am to keep my body on UK time, and did some work until I left the hotel at 06:00. I’m so glad I did this, because I was tired by the time I got to NYC later that day, and I feel pretty good now.
  • For the amount of time you spend in PHX, you could squeeze in a LAX leg too for some more TPs (you'd arrive PHX about 23:00 and leave at 06:00)

Sunday 8th April: PHX to JFK to LHR
  • The domestic AA lounges at PHX have a pretty poor breakfast selection (cereal, bagels and yoghurt) so don’t go expecting a good fill!
  • There are three lounges: one by gates A19-A21 (I didn’t go in this one but the staff told me it is smaller than the others), one by A6 - A7 (newly renovated, light and airy, best of the bunch) and one by B6-B7 (a bit older and all dark wood - a bit oppressive)
  • PHX - JFK flight was oversold and they were offering $1,000 AA voucher if you came off and went via LA - worth doing if you have flex in your itinerary, which I didn’t unfortunately!)
  • Again, didn’t get my breakfast choice on the flight back to JFK, so remember to pre-order
  • Dead easy transfer at JFK - no security or immigration to worry about, so straight into the lounge
  • I just slept the whole way back to LHR - the food choices were very uninspiring, so I didn’t stay up for food

Monday 9th April: LHR to HEL to LHR
  • Back into the Cathay First lounge for a great breakfast, and an extremely comfortable flight to HEL on the A350
  • I tried (unsuccessfully) to move my return to the 17:00 rather than the 19:30 I am booked on, but as per the fare rules, it is €300 to change and they won’t bend the rules

So that’s me, everyone. I’m sitting in the lounge at HEL waiting for the last leg. What an experience!

My main takeaways for the next time would be to do BA for the transatlantic sectors, try and squeeze in an LAX leg if I could, and probably just stay at the airport in PHX. There isn't any time to do much in the city.

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Old Apr 9, 2018, 8:18 am
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Yes, great summary, @adamgilbride! I did the OTP (HEL) PHX recently. Staying the Otopeni Hotel by the airport (free transfers, £20, clean and basic.)
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 8:34 am
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After a reasonable amount of work travel in the past few months, I'm frustratingly close to hitting 2500 TPs. Any bright ideas on how to get 285 TPs before the start of June (or 2785 TPs if I felt crazy enough to target 5000 for GGL)?
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by JimEddie
After a reasonable amount of work travel in the past few months, I'm frustratingly close to hitting 2500 TPs. Any bright ideas on how to get 285 TPs before the start of June (or 2785 TPs if I felt crazy enough to target 5000 for GGL)?
OTP/PHX x3 as a B2B will net 3120 🤣. And as B2B you don’t need to position forvtwo of them!
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 11:41 am
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Originally Posted by adamgilbride
My main takeaways for the next time would be to do BA for the transatlantic sectors, try and squeeze in an LAX leg if I could, and probably just stay at the airport in PHX. There isn't any time to do much in the city.
Great summary, thanks adamgilbride!

So the routing you did was LHR-OTP-LHR-HEL-LHR-JFK-PHX-JFK-LHR-HEL-LHR, should have been OTP-LHR on the end? When you say about a LAX extension, do you mean PHX-LAX-JFK or PHX-LAX-PHX-JFK?

It looks like this year I'm already going to have 3,500 TPs, so I'm thinking of doing something to get me to GGL (mainly for the jokers, the Hilton Diamond status, and it's closer to GFL)
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