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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:02 am
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Originally Posted by SinoBritAsia
Page 17 and 120 linked. It appears BA will get 3 more B777-300s based on the document
I found this interesting as well.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:02 am
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Heathrow B747 refurbishment starts 2018 (?) - > Anyone know more about what is going on here? Is this linked to the dozen being retained - so more super Hi-Js?

Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
I think there are 18 in the 52J set-up. There are also some 86J aircraft which date back to the mid 1990s. I counted 36 747s in all, so that suggests a dozen will be retained.

I still think an ageing 747 beats pretty much any 777.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:03 am
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Originally Posted by mjh0
Could be the end of the line for the three non-ER 772s (G-ZZZ*) by the sound of it?
I would guess so, they date to around 1995 and can't go much further than Muscat. The fact that they are schlepping down to Madrid suggests they are somewhat inflexible.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:03 am
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Originally Posted by sts603
sad indeed. Assume these will be the 52J birds?
I would though the hi-J has more cycles due to shorter flight to JFK?
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:08 am
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Heathrow B747 refurbishment starts 2018 (?) - > Anyone know more about what is going on here? Is this linked to the dozen being retained - so more super Hi-Js?
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I would though the hi-J has more cycles due to shorter flight to JFK?
Mmm, well maybe it's a case of old / high mileage are the ones for the chop, since there are some newer 1998 aircraft which are currently 52J? Though knowing IAG it's probably more to do with leasing / financing positions. Logically, refitting an already fully depreciated cabin in a new aircraft is more sensible than holding on to an old aircraft with maintenance issues even if it does have the Super J fittings.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:15 am
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Originally Posted by Worcester
Just been looking at the Singapore airlines new offering. And I wonder if this investment in CW is going to be enough to keep it competitive.
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I guess competitive will not trying to compete to be the best product in the world.
More likely competitive enough to keep it mostly full!
If you look at page 15:, according to Carolina: OUR CORE VALUE REMAINS THE SAME: BA IS A PREMIUM BRAND FOR ALL CUSTOMERS

Premium and All are my emphasises.

I know it has been repetitive, but I would thought many of the customers sitting in Euro Traveller cabin or Domestic Economy cabin would wonder what the premium is about in BA now.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:24 am
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A direct link to this presentation: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...52658710557042
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:27 am
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Would it not make sense to analyze the detail first before heading down this negative train of thought?
The only reference made in the presentation is:

New top tier Club World seat in development; rollout from 2019
Please can you point me in the direction of additional information?

The £400m figure has been around for 2-3 years as I can remember, but all I have seen onboard is some new food and blankets on 1 route and a refreshed IFE on 86J 747s. Oh, and wifi on only 4 aircraft. Did I miss something about the onboard product?
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:28 am
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Originally Posted by V10
And that is pretty much it - rose-tinted nostalgia.

So much about many of these aircraft is now tired - the cabins, the IFE, the seating, and especially the passengers who were not fortunate enough to be on the upper deck that just got off one after a 10 hour flight.
Personally, I don't care. And, it seems, neither does Worcester.

Nevertheless, if some (or some more) are to be refurbished, that has got to be good news.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:38 am
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Originally Posted by V10
And that is pretty much it - rose-tinted nostalgia.

So much about many of these aircraft is now tired - the cabins, the IFE, the seating, and especially the passengers who were not fortunate enough to be on the upper deck that just got off one after a 10 hour flight.
To be honest, that just depends on how you are flying. Indeed, if you are a status passenger travelling CW, you'd get upper deck most of the time and the best CW cabin BA still offers, especially on the Super-hi J where your points about IFE do not apply. In fact, the UD offers the only decent non-window seats in CW.

So yes, it makes perfect sense that the 744 get retired, mostly on grounds that have actually nothing to do with passenger comfort, but many a status holding CW passenger will in fact wish they retired the 772/773 instead, and many a Y pax might want different choices too after experiencing the sardine can 788 and the new high density 772.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:46 am
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Page 120:
B772/B787 densification.

We know what they are going to do with B772. But how can B787 densification been further expanded?

My guess could be B789 loosing F seats. Yet it is puzzling IAG just said B787 instead of B789 where they specify B772...
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:49 am
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Page 25:

"B747 fleet exits Feb 2024"

2018 refurbishment will not have a long life.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:50 am
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Going back to the presentation: I do find it rather laughable that BA are referencing uncertainly in North Korea as a 'competitive threat'.

Excuse making?
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:51 am
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Going back to the presentation: I do find it rather laughable that BA are referencing uncertainly in North Korea as a 'competitive threat'.

Excuse making?
If North Korea start launching ICBM missiles, they are capable of hitting London: the government is aware of the threat (not least the NHS).

And their target is North America - BA's core market.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 3:53 am
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"New top tier Club World seat in development; rollout from 2019"

So at least another two years of me avoiding BA longhaul J, then.

"Premium positioning for all customers"

Lol.
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