Another 241 downgrade story - from F - with no [EC261] compo
Oct 14, 2017, 10:05 am
#256
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"Nonsense"..."You really should limit your advice/assertions to areas where you have knowledge. This statement is misleading"
This language and tone suggests more than just challenging an assertion - perhaps it's just an approach that is more adversarial and confrontational than most of us non-lawyers would take in a friendly discussion. Ambassadors are usually more diplomatic :-)
This language and tone suggests more than just challenging an assertion - perhaps it's just an approach that is more adversarial and confrontational than most of us non-lawyers would take in a friendly discussion. Ambassadors are usually more diplomatic :-)
If NatGeo made a film of some proceedings, the title would be "When Lawyers Attack" 
I value Tobias-UK's contributions here because (in general, and on points of law in particular) he is crisp and direct and gives all the signs of being a man who knows what he's talking about. Those quotes are politeness squared by comparison with some things lawyers say !!
Oct 14, 2017, 10:09 am
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"Nonsense"..."You really should limit your advice/assertions to areas where you have knowledge. This statement is misleading"
This language and tone suggests more than just challenging an assertion - perhaps it's just an approach that is more adversarial and confrontational than most of us non-lawyers would take in a friendly discussion. Ambassadors are usually more diplomatic :-)
This language and tone suggests more than just challenging an assertion - perhaps it's just an approach that is more adversarial and confrontational than most of us non-lawyers would take in a friendly discussion. Ambassadors are usually more diplomatic :-)
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Oct 14, 2017, 10:13 am
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LOL Ned1968, I guess you have had the good fortune never to be embroiled in legislation where counsel are going at it hammer and tongs If NatGeo made a film of some proceedings, the title would be "When Lawyers Attack"
I value Tobias-UK's contributions here because (in general, and on points of law in particular) he is crisp and direct and gives all the signs of being a man who knows what he's talking about. Those quotes are politeness squared by comparison with some things lawyers say !!
If NatGeo made a film of some proceedings, the title would be "When Lawyers Attack" I value Tobias-UK's contributions here because (in general, and on points of law in particular) he is crisp and direct and gives all the signs of being a man who knows what he's talking about. Those quotes are politeness squared by comparison with some things lawyers say !!
for "legislation" read "litigation" throughout ... 
Oct 14, 2017, 11:46 am
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Oct 14, 2017, 1:43 pm
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But ceteris paribus, do you think that de facto it met the standard for consensus ad idem given that in haec verba most obiter dicta are intra rusticos, in re nothing very much and while given in bona fides, nonetheless nihil ad rem... ?
After all, the motto of FT should probably be de minimis curamos
After all, the motto of FT should probably be de minimis curamos
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Oct 14, 2017, 8:18 pm
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And I stand by both those posts. The assertions made in the two posts I responded to are either misleading or wrong. I’m sorry you find my comments adversarial, but journalists should really get their facts right before publishing - especially when they may be misadvising their readers about potential legal rights and remedies.
Oct 20, 2017, 9:54 am
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Another of my regular readers was downgraded on the HK flight tonight. He was expecting it as he couldn't OLCI and contacted me last night to say it was coming.
Usual story: booked on a 241. His wife (it was her voucher) has got on, he (on the voucher, no EU261 due) was downgraded to PE.
Here is the best bit. BA IS STILL SELLING CW TICKETS for both the HK flights tonight, including his at 18.40, if you're willing to pay the full J price. The 9.45pm also has F available for cash.
Usual story: booked on a 241. His wife (it was her voucher) has got on, he (on the voucher, no EU261 due) was downgraded to PE.
Here is the best bit. BA IS STILL SELLING CW TICKETS for both the HK flights tonight, including his at 18.40, if you're willing to pay the full J price. The 9.45pm also has F available for cash.
Oct 20, 2017, 10:16 am
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Ah but:
This still doesn't prove FLY is targeting companion vouchers though does it? There are potentially several downgrades at day by BA (in the context of several thousand passengers). 😂😉
This still doesn't prove FLY is targeting companion vouchers though does it? There are potentially several downgrades at day by BA (in the context of several thousand passengers). 😂😉
Oct 20, 2017, 10:20 am
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Another of my regular readers was downgraded on the HK flight tonight. He was expecting it as he couldn't OLCI and contacted me last night to say it was coming.
Usual story: booked on a 241. His wife (it was her voucher) has got on, he (on the voucher, no EU261 due) was downgraded to PE.
Here is the best bit. BA IS STILL SELLING CW TICKETS for both the HK flights tonight, including his at 18.40, if you're willing to pay the full J price. The 9.45pm also has F available for cash.
Usual story: booked on a 241. His wife (it was her voucher) has got on, he (on the voucher, no EU261 due) was downgraded to PE.
Here is the best bit. BA IS STILL SELLING CW TICKETS for both the HK flights tonight, including his at 18.40, if you're willing to pay the full J price. The 9.45pm also has F available for cash.
Oct 20, 2017, 10:21 am
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Another of my regular readers was downgraded on the HK flight tonight. He was expecting it as he couldn't OLCI and contacted me last night to say it was coming.
Usual story: booked on a 241. His wife (it was her voucher) has got on, he (on the voucher, no EU261 due) was downgraded to PE.
Here is the best bit. BA IS STILL SELLING CW TICKETS for both the HK flights tonight, including his at 18.40, if you're willing to pay the full J price. The 9.45pm also has F available for cash.
Usual story: booked on a 241. His wife (it was her voucher) has got on, he (on the voucher, no EU261 due) was downgraded to PE.
Here is the best bit. BA IS STILL SELLING CW TICKETS for both the HK flights tonight, including his at 18.40, if you're willing to pay the full J price. The 9.45pm also has F available for cash.
I guess ex-HKG there won't be any co-payment to argue over.
Oct 20, 2017, 10:23 am
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Another of my regular readers was downgraded on the HK flight tonight. He was expecting it as he couldn't OLCI and contacted me last night to say it was coming.
Usual story: booked on a 241. His wife (it was her voucher) has got on, he (on the voucher, no EU261 due) was downgraded to PE.
Here is the best bit. BA IS STILL SELLING CW TICKETS for both the HK flights tonight, including his at 18.40, if you're willing to pay the full J price. The 9.45pm also has F available for cash.
Usual story: booked on a 241. His wife (it was her voucher) has got on, he (on the voucher, no EU261 due) was downgraded to PE.
Here is the best bit. BA IS STILL SELLING CW TICKETS for both the HK flights tonight, including his at 18.40, if you're willing to pay the full J price. The 9.45pm also has F available for cash.
Oct 20, 2017, 10:44 am
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If you know anyone on a 241 (the companion half) who was paid EU261 by BA automatically, without any discussion, then I'd be keen to speak to them!
Oct 20, 2017, 10:53 am
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If I ordered and paid for a new Rolls Royce and the garage gave me a Skoda, it would be completely unacceptable and the garage would face a lawsuit.
Why is the fact that paying with Avios and a voucher is treated with such contempt? BA cannot argue that the ticket was technically free. It wasn't. Avios is effectively currency and should carry the same weight legally as cash.
I'm a leisure traveller who uses every trick in the book to earn Amex vouchers and Avios, but after reading so many stories of BA treating their Avios customers with contempt that I can't be bothered to use my vouchers any more and will use my 500k Avios on Cathay exAMS where the taxes are 90% less than exLHR and the J product is light years ahead of the dross that BA dares to call business class.
Why is the fact that paying with Avios and a voucher is treated with such contempt? BA cannot argue that the ticket was technically free. It wasn't. Avios is effectively currency and should carry the same weight legally as cash.
I'm a leisure traveller who uses every trick in the book to earn Amex vouchers and Avios, but after reading so many stories of BA treating their Avios customers with contempt that I can't be bothered to use my vouchers any more and will use my 500k Avios on Cathay exAMS where the taxes are 90% less than exLHR and the J product is light years ahead of the dross that BA dares to call business class.
