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Jun 5, 2016, 9:12 am
#76
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So, it seems the direct aisle access is achieved by making the window seats longer than the aisle seats.
Suspect this will make retro fitting the new seat expensive as bulkheads/galleys/restrooms may need moving as well.
BA will definitely want to maintain a higher density than their competitors.
Suspect this will make retro fitting the new seat expensive as bulkheads/galleys/restrooms may need moving as well.
BA will definitely want to maintain a higher density than their competitors.
Jun 5, 2016, 9:17 am
#77
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If they achieve that, with all seat aisle access, then I'm buying a lot of IAG shares
Jun 5, 2016, 9:18 am
#78
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It's really a shame that the deplorable storage situation doesn't appear to have improved much. I've only had the misfortune of flying CW once (UuA to First on the return), but was very glad to have stumped up for a window seat to get some privacy in the flying dorm. However, I couldn't for the life of me find somewhere secure to keep my glasses, so when they came around with breakfast and I was just waking up, it was an ordeal to move my seat, get into the tiny storage drawer, and find my glasses. Maybe that little drinks table will work OK for this sort of thing, but I much prefer a little cubby or two to stash things like mobiles and wallets and glasses in.
Jun 5, 2016, 9:25 am
#79
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It's really a shame that the deplorable storage situation doesn't appear to have improved much. I've only had the misfortune of flying CW once (UuA to First on the return), but was very glad to have stumped up for a window seat to get some privacy in the flying dorm. However, I couldn't for the life of me find somewhere secure to keep my glasses, so when they came around with breakfast and I was just waking up, it was an ordeal to move my seat, get into the tiny storage drawer, and find my glasses. Maybe that little drinks table will work OK for this sort of thing, but I much prefer a little cubby or two to stash things like mobiles and wallets and glasses in.
Jun 5, 2016, 9:33 am
#80
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It may well prove right but equally, there might be an entirely different system to produce the same results. It would certainly be unprecedented (I think) to have seats of different metric "value" within the J cabin (I mean systematically, obviously exit rows do exist!).
Jun 5, 2016, 9:34 am
#81
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Thanks very much for Henschmall for posting!
Direct aisle access was a given, more appealing leather finish rather than plastic is a nice to have. Still some misses here though, like the lack of a fixed screen you can watch on landing and take off. Also very difficult to judge how cramped it feels for sleeping on designs so far. So if this is it, is it enough to tempt me back into CW? Inconclusive on the current evidence I think.
Direct aisle access was a given, more appealing leather finish rather than plastic is a nice to have. Still some misses here though, like the lack of a fixed screen you can watch on landing and take off. Also very difficult to judge how cramped it feels for sleeping on designs so far. So if this is it, is it enough to tempt me back into CW? Inconclusive on the current evidence I think.
Jun 5, 2016, 9:52 am
#82
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(emphasis mine) Only on Prospero's mock so far It may well prove right but equally, there might be an entirely different system to produce the same results. It would certainly be unprecedented (I think) to have seats of different metric "value" within the J cabin (I mean systematically, obviously exit rows do exist!).
It may well prove right but equally, there might be an entirely different system to produce the same results. It would certainly be unprecedented (I think) to have seats of different metric "value" within the J cabin (I mean systematically, obviously exit rows do exist!).
Jun 5, 2016, 10:01 am
#83
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Well that ticks a lot of boxes for me and thank you for sharing it. Please be extremely careful with what you post, I wouldn't want to see you lose your job. For me no foot coffin direct aisle access and window seat privacy maintained is excellent. Now all they have to do is allow the crew to serve the window seats via the aisle access and without dropping the divider. That'll be the icing on the cake.
Jun 5, 2016, 10:01 am
#84
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If the seats are the same length then you are going to have "wasted" space to give direct aisle access to all. This design appears to give the aisle an enclosed seat whilst the window foot stool comes from the seat in front and it is this extra room which gives the access. Yes that does mean 2 slightly different seats in the cabin.
Jun 5, 2016, 10:03 am
#85
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Interesting with the back to back seating (or forward to forward!), having forward facing window seats again. A similar design also features in the patent application, albeit for aisle seats.
Jun 5, 2016, 10:09 am
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If the seats are the same length then you are going to have "wasted" space to give direct aisle access to all. This design appears to give the aisle an enclosed seat whilst the window foot stool comes from the seat in front and it is this extra room which gives the access. Yes that does mean 2 slightly different seats in the cabin.
Jun 5, 2016, 10:38 am
#88
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That wasted space is often used by cupboards etc though.
Jun 5, 2016, 10:39 am
#89
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In any case, what are you referring to at the head of the seat? I'm only seeing indications of two literature pockets, which is not an adjective I'd use to describe the type of place someone might put their glasses. Or a nighttime bottle of water for that matter. I can just see being awoken mid-flight because some turbulence causes my bottle of water to come down on top of me from the drinks table.
Jun 5, 2016, 10:53 am
#90
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Wallet is not so necessary for an easily-accessible cubby, but I often try to keep my wallet and passport together in flight, and if I'm going to have to fill out a landing card, I want my passport accessible.
In any case, what are you referring to at the head of the seat? I'm only seeing indications of two literature pockets, which is not an adjective I'd use to describe the type of place someone might put their glasses. Or a nighttime bottle of water for that matter. I can just see being awoken mid-flight because some turbulence causes my bottle of water to come down on top of me from the drinks table.
In any case, what are you referring to at the head of the seat? I'm only seeing indications of two literature pockets, which is not an adjective I'd use to describe the type of place someone might put their glasses. Or a nighttime bottle of water for that matter. I can just see being awoken mid-flight because some turbulence causes my bottle of water to come down on top of me from the drinks table.