New Club World (Genuinely something new)
Jun 4, 2016, 6:20 pm
#31
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No-one will ever know! To be honest, the 'leak' was pretty much done with the patents being dug up. That's the general attitude within the company. But as we can see, the patents were anything but final. The example that I've presented here may be tweaked even further.
Jun 4, 2016, 6:29 pm
#32
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This is addressed on another page. Sadly I can-not share this information. The same goes for the situation on the 787, a380 & 777.
For some reason page 7 (this one) was essentially left 'laying about' on the system. Pretty much anyone in the building could have accessed it. For the rest of the pages I would need to access the document itself, and it would be much easier to narrow down who dunnit.
For some reason page 7 (this one) was essentially left 'laying about' on the system. Pretty much anyone in the building could have accessed it. For the rest of the pages I would need to access the document itself, and it would be much easier to narrow down who dunnit.
Jun 4, 2016, 6:46 pm
#33
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I thought BA had 'never received a complaint about stepping over'. So why fix something that isn't broken and lose seat density in the process?
Jun 4, 2016, 6:54 pm
#34
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This seems to be what was expected. A small incremental change. As I always say, BA needs to do something to improve the offering but there's only so much space a human needs. Decent product.
Yay, 3 day weekend! No, 4. No, 5. Wait, 6? Hmm...
Heh. 
Yay, 3 day weekend! No, 4. No, 5. Wait, 6? Hmm...
Jun 4, 2016, 7:01 pm
#35
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I think many people accept comments like that (and hence why management/spokespeople bother to comment on it), however we on FT and alike all know this isn't the case. Being from within the company, I can guarantee you that I know this isn't the case.
Jun 4, 2016, 7:02 pm
#36
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Welcome to Flyertalk hemschmall and the BA forum, quite an impressive début posting there. Thank you for sharing, it doesn't seem a million miles off something that was shared with staff and (abstractly) mentioned at corporate flyer events recently. I hope you will continue to be active in this forum.
Jun 4, 2016, 7:08 pm
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Now, if this would change to 100% direct aisle access for window seats, it's a game changer.
Jun 4, 2016, 7:20 pm
#38
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Dear BA, Your Club World seat dividers are always crusted with dirt and it grosses out your customers. Either clean your cabins to remove all the dirt between flights, or give up grossing us out with dirty movable dividers, by not having them! 
May I suggest the Cirrus seat being used as being the benchmark for designing Business Class seats, not a London Bus Stop bench for comparing cushion comfort, or a deck chair for overall flimsiness.
Frankly, the current Club World Seat and the proposed next generation seats must be a joke as they do not meet the needs or expectations of business class passengers these days.
Sorry BA, we are no longer living in the 1990's, when lay flat seats were a novelty. As for the computer storage tray being 10% larger, well Yipee for something we don't really need. Computers and tablets have gotten slimmer, unlike the average passenger!
May I suggest the Cirrus seat being used as being the benchmark for designing Business Class seats, not a London Bus Stop bench for comparing cushion comfort, or a deck chair for overall flimsiness.
Frankly, the current Club World Seat and the proposed next generation seats must be a joke as they do not meet the needs or expectations of business class passengers these days. Sorry BA, we are no longer living in the 1990's, when lay flat seats were a novelty. As for the computer storage tray being 10% larger, well Yipee for something we don't really need. Computers and tablets have gotten slimmer, unlike the average passenger!
Last edited by Peter M; Jun 4, 2016 at 7:39 pm
Jun 4, 2016, 7:54 pm
#39
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Is it possible that the "announcement" of a non revolutionary club world was more to dampen expectation that BA would invest to retro fit this seat in the existing aircraft? Even though all aisle access is a big deal to most of us?
"We don't want to spend money to refit our aircraft so let's tell everyone this seat is no big deal?"
"We don't want to spend money to refit our aircraft so let's tell everyone this seat is no big deal?"
Jun 4, 2016, 7:58 pm
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Jun 4, 2016, 8:20 pm
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I hope this is saying that the aircraft that have life in them will be refitted not that the current generation seats will stay until they are 30 years old...
Jun 4, 2016, 8:47 pm
#42
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Bear in mind that typically, BA offer the same number of seats per row in W and J so I would personally expect that to probably continue. And thanks hemschmall for sharing this with us.
Jun 4, 2016, 9:16 pm
#43
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Surely, this CW seat evolution could follow the work of JAL with their 777 Sky Suite which is identical, if not bulkier and rectangle.
Jun 4, 2016, 10:51 pm
#44
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This is addressed on another page. Sadly I can-not share this information. The same goes for the situation on the 787, a380 & 777.
For some reason page 7 (this one) was essentially left 'laying about' on the system. Pretty much anyone in the building could have accessed it. For the rest of the pages I would need to access the document itself, and it would be much easier to narrow down who dunnit.
For some reason page 7 (this one) was essentially left 'laying about' on the system. Pretty much anyone in the building could have accessed it. For the rest of the pages I would need to access the document itself, and it would be much easier to narrow down who dunnit.
That said, you need to be incredibly careful with what you say and how you say it if you care about your job, as writing style makes it pretty easy to identify someone, and there's software to help with that. http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/bits/2012/01/03/software-helps-identify-anonymous-writers-or-helps-them-stay-that-way/ is from a few years ago and explains this a bit.
There's also software to anonymize your writing style as well...
Jun 4, 2016, 11:10 pm
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The new JL 777 Sky suite which will be introduced in July on BKK flights (SS2) is yet completely different and more similar to the Cirrus configurations. Neither resembles what hemschmall posted at the start of this thread in any way.