New Club World (Genuinely something new)
Jun 6, 2016, 3:45 am
#121
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We know with a reasonable amount of certainty it will be fitted to the A350s when they begin to arrive in 2018 but it is unclear if it will be rolled out across the existing fleet or the 787-10s whenever they arrive. Alex Cruz has publicly expressed he would like to see a more revolutionary update applied to the existing fleet but that could be years away unless BA opts for an off-the-shelf product from B/E Aerospace or Zodiac.
Jun 6, 2016, 4:05 am
#122
Join Date: Aug 2013
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It will be interesting to see the numbers on BA's A350 as compared to CX, QR etc.
Jun 6, 2016, 4:36 am
#123
Join Date: Jul 2013
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It is pretty clear to me that the Mark III designation relates to the history of the yin-yang flat bed concept. Mark I = 2000 CW (the original NCW), Mark II = 2006 CW, and Mark III = 2018 CW seat
Speculation Alert!
I’m having some fun, exploring the possibilities of how this seat might be arranged whilst using my imagination to fill the information gap on how the window seat bed might be achieved.
This diagram is a product of the Prospero Skunk Works and should not be regarded as the final arrangement
Looking at the two options: [A] the standard yin-yang arrangement we are all familiar with, and [B] a modified arrangement with seat pairs mirrored at alternate rows, it would seem in very broad terms option B might produce a marginal efficiency compared to option A.
Speculation Alert!
I’m having some fun, exploring the possibilities of how this seat might be arranged whilst using my imagination to fill the information gap on how the window seat bed might be achieved.
This diagram is a product of the Prospero Skunk Works and should not be regarded as the final arrangement
Looking at the two options: [A] the standard yin-yang arrangement we are all familiar with, and [B] a modified arrangement with seat pairs mirrored at alternate rows, it would seem in very broad terms option B might produce a marginal efficiency compared to option A.
FWIW, I really like the look of this seat. It's easy to "solve" the problem of cabin density already by booking F is that is what you want. As a viable business class product, a private window seat with direct isle access, no foot coffin and some sensible storage is great. Of course, the catering also needs a bit of sprucing up but as far as the seat goes, it looks pretty good (but then we do have the QR suites in J to look forward to - they will up the game considerably!).
What it will mean is that window seats will be much preferable to isle seats. With the main problem of the window seat gone, why would anybody book the shorter, less private isle seats over a window seat?
Jun 6, 2016, 4:46 am
#124
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It's sort of a more dense version of Oman Air's 787s: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Oma...Boeing_787.php
Jun 6, 2016, 4:53 am
#125
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It's sort of a more dense version of Oman Air's 787s: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Oma...Boeing_787.php
If BA were willing to drop just a little bit further in terms of density this is absolutely what they should have gone for. Then again, the seat is pretty much equivalent in space terms to 747 F, so it probably doesn't make sense for BA at all in terms of product differentiation at the moment.
Jun 6, 2016, 5:32 am
#126
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Jun 6, 2016, 6:04 am
#128
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Hopefully. The lack of privacy in the middle seats in CW is sufficient to stop me booking BA.
I am not really sure about all this talk about the privacy in the window seats. Just what are people getting up to.
The cirrus 1-2-1 is far preferrable in terms of overall privacy (if maybe not density).
I am not really sure about all this talk about the privacy in the window seats. Just what are people getting up to.
The cirrus 1-2-1 is far preferrable in terms of overall privacy (if maybe not density).
Jun 6, 2016, 6:12 am
#129
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Hopefully. The lack of privacy in the middle seats in CW is sufficient to stop me booking BA.
I am not really sure about all this talk about the privacy in the window seats. Just what are people getting up to. The cirrus 1-2-1 is far preferrable in terms of overall privacy (if maybe not density).
I am not really sure about all this talk about the privacy in the window seats. Just what are people getting up to.
The cirrus 1-2-1 is far preferrable in terms of overall privacy (if maybe not density).
Jun 6, 2016, 6:51 am
#130
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It's sort of a more dense version of Oman Air's 787s: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Oma...Boeing_787.php
Jun 6, 2016, 7:00 am
#131
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Photo I took to demonstrate:
Jun 6, 2016, 7:04 am
#132
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Cirrus isn't really a single design in that respect. Depending on the aircraft its fitted to the foot coffin can be exactly that, or in some applications you can move your legs pretty freely in any direction.
Jun 6, 2016, 7:55 am
#133
Join Date: Nov 2008
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It's really a shame that the deplorable storage situation doesn't appear to have improved much. I've only had the misfortune of flying CW once (UuA to First on the return), but was very glad to have stumped up for a window seat to get some privacy in the flying dorm. However, I couldn't for the life of me find somewhere secure to keep my glasses, so when they came around with breakfast and I was just waking up, it was an ordeal to move my seat, get into the tiny storage drawer, and find my glasses. Maybe that little drinks table will work OK for this sort of thing, but I much prefer a little cubby or two to stash things like mobiles and wallets and glasses in.
Jun 6, 2016, 8:43 am
#135
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Does anyone read my posts? 
This is the plan.
There is one, next to the head of the seat. Big enough for a wallet and a larger 'phablet' type phone. Glasses can also be hooked on the upper literature pocket.
This is the plan.There is one, next to the head of the seat. Big enough for a wallet and a larger 'phablet' type phone. Glasses can also be hooked on the upper literature pocket.