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Old Nov 1, 2017, 4:18 am
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I thought he was flirting with TAP, giving them the 'come to IAG' eyes?
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 4:24 am
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I thought he was flirting with TAP, giving them the 'come to IAG' eyes?
He was, but they went with the Azul linked consortium last year
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 4:40 am
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I’m still surprised that IAG hasn’t looked further at BE


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Old Nov 1, 2017, 4:47 am
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Originally Posted by PUCCI GALORE
I get emails about sales at Cityjet almost every month - which then extend. I would not book with them under any circumstances as their days seem numbered.
That would be a shame but perhaps inevitable. They have canceled all other routes from LCY apart from Dublin now and are now concentrating on leases.
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 4:54 am
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Originally Posted by cornishsimon
I’m still surprised that IAG hasn’t looked further at BE


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Can't imagine that there would be much value creating in buying BE. Limited crossover of aircraft, routes etc. So limited ability to cut costs.
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 5:28 am
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Originally Posted by ajeleonard
Amazing to think that it was once the dominant airline at London City, now reduced to wet leases for other airlines
True - but it was really Air France that carried it. Once they cut the sales and marketing tie there was no identity of its own.

Plus they run those old 4 engine jets (sorry the name eludes me) and that must be terribly cost unfriendly. Actually, I think that most carriers that ran them either ditched them or went bust. Poor AirUK/Buzz comes to mind - along with a Low Cost again the name escapes me that ran from Luton and its advertising slogan was "Francisco says" or some such. Can anyone remember who I'm blathering about?
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 5:41 am
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Originally Posted by PUCCI GALORE
True - but it was really Air France that carried it. Once they cut the sales and marketing tie there was no identity of its own.

Plus they run those old 4 engine jets (sorry the name eludes me) and that must be terribly cost unfriendly. Actually, I think that most carriers that ran them either ditched them or went bust. Poor AirUK/Buzz comes to mind - along with a Low Cost again the name escapes me that ran from Luton and its advertising slogan was "Francisco says" or some such. Can anyone remember who I'm blathering about?

It was the BAe/Avro 146, the last British airliner, the sad swan song for a once world-leading industry. They are being replaced by Russian Superjets which does not inspire confidence but suspect they got a good price on them.

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Old Nov 1, 2017, 5:58 am
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Originally Posted by PUCCI GALORE
along with a Low Cost again the name escapes me that ran from Luton and its advertising slogan was "Francisco says" or some such. Can anyone remember who I'm blathering about?
Debonair?
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 6:12 am
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Don't forget, Skywork Airlines in Berne has just hung its socks out to dry. They're dropping like flies at the moment.

EDIT: although, having said that, their website seems to be up and running again. Just did a dummy booking for Berne - Amsterdam. Maybe they managed to secure more funding after a two day grounding this weekend.

In German:

https://www.bluewin.ch/de/news/inlan...willigung.html

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Old Nov 1, 2017, 6:13 am
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Debonair?
Exactly so - I had the word Elegance in my head and I was certain that it was not it.
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 6:24 am
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Debonair?
Not to be confused with DevonAir, which is the dream of many Cornish based FTers

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Old Nov 1, 2017, 6:45 am
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Not to be confused with DevonAir, which is the dream of many Cornish based FTers

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Old Nov 1, 2017, 6:53 am
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Originally Posted by chongcao
Ok I think Flybe mentioned in the article is one.

Cityjet is another as PUCCI GALORE mentioned.

But I think WW specifically said smaller carriers. I am going to guess Air Malta and Air Serbia.
What about Norweigen?
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 7:04 am
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What about Norweigen?
It's a tricky one, but I know the powers at IAG believe Norweigians business model to be very vulnerable if certain macro economic factors go against them. Could be an interesting winter..
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Old Nov 1, 2017, 7:10 am
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Norwegian currently has a positive rate of climb [3], even if they are very heavily loaded [1], are at low altitude[4] and underpowered [2]. If there was a serious change in customer sentiment, some global sudden crisis (I don't count the ongoing Western grinding stagflation as a sudden crisis), or a large and sustained rise in the price of fuel, they're in trouble, and their climb would become a descent. They're commercially risky (don't bet your pension on them) but not actually facing anything that would sink them at the moment.

[1] with debt
[2] low margins
[3] cashflow OK
[4] they are not very large nor do they have well established captive markets
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