The (bmi) Diamond Club - BAEC Avios Transfer Tool : Report successes / issues
#243
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SIN
Programs: SQ, UA, Delta, BMI(RIP), Marriott Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Diamond (Thanks Amex) Hyatt Discov
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Can the orphaned BMI miles be transferred to BAEC Avios
Had several family members BMI accounts with 4k or 5k sign up bonus miles which could not be transferred up to Head of Household account in BMI
If I open BAEC accounts for these family members with orphaned miles, can I then
a) transfer the BMI sign on bonus miles across to their own BAEC accounts
b) move the miles up from their individual BAEC accounts to my BAEC Head of Household account?
If I open BAEC accounts for these family members with orphaned miles, can I then
a) transfer the BMI sign on bonus miles across to their own BAEC accounts
b) move the miles up from their individual BAEC accounts to my BAEC Head of Household account?
#244
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: UK
Programs: BA S, VS S, SQ G, HH D, IHG D/A, Marriott G, Radisson G, Hertz PC
Posts: 3,945
a) yes
b) that's not how the BA HHA works - they wouldn't get transferred anywhere, but if their accounts became members of your HHA when making a redemption a pro-rata deduction from their account would be made (it does it based on what percentage of the total HHA their individual one represents)
b) that's not how the BA HHA works - they wouldn't get transferred anywhere, but if their accounts became members of your HHA when making a redemption a pro-rata deduction from their account would be made (it does it based on what percentage of the total HHA their individual one represents)
#245
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SIN
Programs: SQ, UA, Delta, BMI(RIP), Marriott Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Diamond (Thanks Amex) Hyatt Discov
Posts: 1,942
a) yes
b) that's not how the BA HHA works - they wouldn't get transferred anywhere, but if their accounts became members of your HHA when making a redemption a pro-rata deduction from their account would be made (it does it based on what percentage of the total HHA their individual one represents)
b) that's not how the BA HHA works - they wouldn't get transferred anywhere, but if their accounts became members of your HHA when making a redemption a pro-rata deduction from their account would be made (it does it based on what percentage of the total HHA their individual one represents)
Last edited by SingaporeDon; Sep 10, 2012 at 4:52 pm
#247
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 6
Had several family members BMI accounts with 4k or 5k sign up bonus miles which could not be transferred up to Head of Household account in BMI
If I open BAEC accounts for these family members with orphaned miles, can I then
a) transfer the BMI sign on bonus miles across to their own BAEC accounts
b) move the miles up from their individual BAEC accounts to my BAEC Head of Household account?
If I open BAEC accounts for these family members with orphaned miles, can I then
a) transfer the BMI sign on bonus miles across to their own BAEC accounts
b) move the miles up from their individual BAEC accounts to my BAEC Head of Household account?
Dear BABROWN
Many thanks for taking the time to contact bmi regarding these issues you have experienced while trying to transfer 'Bonus Destination Miles' from your bmi diamond club account to BA's frequent flyer program.
As you were advised by the BA representative, both account have been suspended, this is not due to no activity on the accounts. The reason for the accounts being suspended is that yourself and ******** have never actually travelled with bmi or any Star Alliance partner. Your accounts did have 'Bonus Destination Miles' which are non-transferrable. The 'Bonus Destination Miles' you have in your accounts have all come from other diamond club accounts. We decided to suspend your accounts as this is breaching the terms and conditions you agreed to when signing up to the diamond club scheme in 2009.
All the miles you have in your accounts are 'Bonus Destination Miles' which have all been transferred from other accounts with similar names and the same address, this was done between the dates of 1st December 2009 and 5th December 2009. All the miles were accumulated from a promotion bmi ran where you got 5,000 or 4,000 'Bonus Destination Miles' to just sign up to our frequent flyer scheme. We feel these accounts were set up to get the 'Bonus Destination Miles'
This is the reason your accounts have been suspended, the 'Bonus Destination Miles' you had are now void and have 0 value. BA will be informed of this situation to make sure nothing progresses any further.
I trust this is satisfactory for you, should you have any further queries in regards to this please don't hesitate to contact me.
Best regards
***********
This is the reply from Nicci
Hi BABROWN
You can transfer all destinations miles but not status miles if this is what you are referring to?
Warm regards
Nicci
#248
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 4,709
While I'm sure you're quite angry with the response, I try to see the light side of things and must admit I did chuckle at their ending: I trust this is satisfactory for you, should you have any further queries in regards to this please don't hesitate to contact me.
#249
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: DUB - Ireland
Programs: EI-GCE, BD-G, BA-G, A3*G, TK*G, FB-G, HH-G, Hyatt-Dia
Posts: 8,527
I'm not taking sides in this matter, but two things are obvious:
1) You have no bmi miles for the reasons cited by the bmi representative - and thus, there is nothing to transfer;
2) If you did have bmi miles, they would be transferable from the BD account in which they were originally issued to a BA account with an identical name; (that's the bit Nicci was talking about, not the first bit)
What is just not possible - and pretty much never has been* - is to transfer sign-up bonus miles from one bmi account to the head of family bmi account.
*There was a brief period where the systems mistakenly allowed signup bonus miles to be transferred to the head of household. When bmi realised this, it was stopped and the miles transferred were tagged as non-transferable. bmi has been very clear about this for quite a long time; this is not news. Further, those sign-up bonus miles were only redeemable against the person whose account they were issued to - you were not permitted to use the 1/2/3/4/5k to redeem for someone else, even when the miles had been consolidated though the loophole.
To me it seems logical, even if unpalatable to you, that such accounts - known round these parts as family-pet accounts as many people opened accounts for their cats and dogs - were wholesale suspended by bmi, as the bonus miles were awarded for the purpose of enticing travellers to open and used the DC account for posting miles.
As to what Nicci said, it seems to me, you are, at best, talking at cross purposes; if you wish to ask insufficiently clear questions, you will, of course, get insufficiently clear answers.
1) You have no bmi miles for the reasons cited by the bmi representative - and thus, there is nothing to transfer;
2) If you did have bmi miles, they would be transferable from the BD account in which they were originally issued to a BA account with an identical name; (that's the bit Nicci was talking about, not the first bit)
What is just not possible - and pretty much never has been* - is to transfer sign-up bonus miles from one bmi account to the head of family bmi account.
*There was a brief period where the systems mistakenly allowed signup bonus miles to be transferred to the head of household. When bmi realised this, it was stopped and the miles transferred were tagged as non-transferable. bmi has been very clear about this for quite a long time; this is not news. Further, those sign-up bonus miles were only redeemable against the person whose account they were issued to - you were not permitted to use the 1/2/3/4/5k to redeem for someone else, even when the miles had been consolidated though the loophole.
To me it seems logical, even if unpalatable to you, that such accounts - known round these parts as family-pet accounts as many people opened accounts for their cats and dogs - were wholesale suspended by bmi, as the bonus miles were awarded for the purpose of enticing travellers to open and used the DC account for posting miles.
As to what Nicci said, it seems to me, you are, at best, talking at cross purposes; if you wish to ask insufficiently clear questions, you will, of course, get insufficiently clear answers.
#251
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Argentina
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Very poor show indeed.
#253
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#254
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All the miles you have in your accounts are 'Bonus Destination Miles' which have all been transferred from other accounts with similar names and the same address, this was done between the dates of 1st December 2009 and 5th December 2009. All the miles were accumulated from a promotion bmi ran where you got 5,000 or 4,000 'Bonus Destination Miles' to just sign up to our frequent flyer scheme. We feel these accounts were set up to get the 'Bonus Destination Miles'
If I understand this guy right, then he never had any activity in any account but the sign-up bonus. Also, I got the impression that the family members were either real family members or fake members. However, all of them without any real activity. Well, then I believe, the accounts will be flagged as fraud!
#255
Join Date: May 2006
Location: 5 miles from EMA
Programs: BD, BAEC Pleb, VS Pleb, Accor Pleb, HHonors Gold, Big White Season Pass
Posts: 5,925
Still moving the CC miles over on a monthly basis. Really need to think about moving to the BA Amex, but appear to have missed the really good sign up bonus d'oh!