ANNOUNCEMENT - A new revitalised Executive Club is coming
Sep 1, 2011, 6:53 am
#181
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: London
Posts: 3,439
Although not all details are out yet, I can't see this being anything other than totally horrible for me and my family.
as an avid air miles collector I have been shopping at tesco doing the estore thing, getting the lloydstsb credit card etc and have managed to get to 25000 miles. The plan being to take my family to Orlando from edinburgh for 28000 miles and no cash. With this change it seems that I will have to pay the equivalent of 5900 miles per flight (5000 for the lgw to mco and 9000 for the domestic leg) or23600 miles plus £1160 in cash. So I save a whopping 4400 miles but have to pay TWELVE HUNDRED pounds to save that! 4400 miles are about £180 in club card vouchers.
quite simply this change had cost me one thousand pounds.
It's a spectacular hosing for all air miles customers. I wish I could get my tesco club card vouchers back and spend them in the store. I would get so much better value.
as an avid air miles collector I have been shopping at tesco doing the estore thing, getting the lloydstsb credit card etc and have managed to get to 25000 miles. The plan being to take my family to Orlando from edinburgh for 28000 miles and no cash. With this change it seems that I will have to pay the equivalent of 5900 miles per flight (5000 for the lgw to mco and 9000 for the domestic leg) or23600 miles plus £1160 in cash. So I save a whopping 4400 miles but have to pay TWELVE HUNDRED pounds to save that! 4400 miles are about £180 in club card vouchers.
quite simply this change had cost me one thousand pounds.
It's a spectacular hosing for all air miles customers. I wish I could get my tesco club card vouchers back and spend them in the store. I would get so much better value.
Sep 1, 2011, 6:57 am
#183
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Join Date: Feb 2000
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apart from MFUs, the system remains a zone-based system rather than a segment system. Why would you need to make an additional payment for the domestic leg?
Sep 1, 2011, 6:58 am
#184
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mostly AUS or rural England
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If I read this correctly the reduction in LHR-NYC redemption rates comes about because IAG is moving to more distance related rates. My guess is the US will now be in at least two bands, and BOS will almost certainly be reduced to the NYC rates, but I'm wondering where the boundary of the band(s) falls? Will the West Coast rates increase? How about Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc.?
Sep 1, 2011, 6:59 am
#185
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: LHR
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It is one of the clearest messages BA has ever sent out from my experience.
Sep 1, 2011, 7:00 am
#186
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It is 10 paragraphs most of which are one sentance. Hardly on and on. It could be a bit shorter but you do actually have to explain the why as well as the what.
Sep 1, 2011, 7:01 am
#187
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: LHR
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If I read this correctly the reduction in LHR-NYC redemption rates comes about because IAG is moving to more distance related rates. My guess is the US will now be in at least two bands, and BOS will almost certainly be reduced to the NYC rates, but I'm wondering where the boundary of the band(s) falls? Will the West Coast rates increase? How about Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc.?
Sep 1, 2011, 7:02 am
#188
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
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Posts: 2,533
I wonder if the household account will stay - with all this talk of it becoming more of a 'Club' I wonder if the Householder account fits with that.
Sep 1, 2011, 7:02 am
#189
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: London
Programs: MUCCI; BAEC Lifetime Gold; Marriott Bonvoy Emeritus Titanium; Hertz#1, Avis President’s Club
Posts: 3,214
Sep 1, 2011, 7:04 am
#190
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: FL350, seat 0k
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To keep our simply priced Zones, each with one fare, we need to separate airline taxes, fees and surcharges from our fares (as we don't control these and how much they fluctuate) – and you'll pay them in cash.
What about those of us who have booked using BA miles for redemption flights that will come into play after the Adios miles come in? Does this mean we get a refund of the miles?? I am guessing not
Don't worry, we'll be recalculating the Airmiles you've got – multiplying your balance by ten on 16 November 2011. And we'll recalculate the Avios you'll collect too.
The name Avios, which “means nothing” according to Swaffield, was chosen because it was “easy to pronounce, scalable, international and would work around the world, yet also hinted at aviation and travel.”
Last edited by globalste; Sep 1, 2011 at 7:11 am
Sep 1, 2011, 7:05 am
#191
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Scotland
Posts: 1,301
If I read this correctly the reduction in LHR-NYC redemption rates comes about because IAG is moving to more distance related rates. My guess is the US will now be in at least two bands, and BOS will almost certainly be reduced to the NYC rates, but I'm wondering where the boundary of the band(s) falls? Will the West Coast rates increase? How about Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc.?
I think many expected the East and West coasts to be re-aligned but I for one expected the West to increase instead of the East decreasing.
Sep 1, 2011, 7:06 am
#192
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I still don't trust these changes. It would be the first time in history that I actually benefit from changes to an FFP.
I have a bad feeling about what's to come in November?
Maybe I'm just paranoid though?
I have a bad feeling about what's to come in November?
Maybe I'm just paranoid though?
Sep 1, 2011, 7:06 am
#193
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: East Anglia, England
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Sep 1, 2011, 7:07 am
#194
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: London
Posts: 1
They should have researched the name!
'Head of brand at The Mileage Company Rahul Patel says that the Avios name has been tested and researched across several markets and while it is a created name, it does have resonance in connection with aviation.'
Any google search brings up Avios as:
Applied Voice Input / Output Society
Association of Visually Impaired Office Staff
not exactly a resonance with Aviation and a little too close to the slimming pill called Adios
Any google search brings up Avios as:
Applied Voice Input / Output Society
Association of Visually Impaired Office Staff
not exactly a resonance with Aviation and a little too close to the slimming pill called Adios
Sep 1, 2011, 7:07 am
#195
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Lloyds TSB probably won't be best pleased about their Amex cards (Airmiles Duo and Airmiles Duo Premier) going into direct competition with the Amex-issued BA cards.
The free cards seem to have the same accrual rate (Lloyds 1 airmile per £10, BA 1 BA mile per £1) but Lloyds doubles the accrual for foreign transactions while Amex has the 2-for-1 voucher at £20,000 spent as well as double miles on BA purchases.
The paid-for cards have more differentiation; Lloyds charges a £50 fee as against Amex's £150, and gives a 2-for-1 at £15,000 spent rather than £10,000. However, the Lloyds 2-for-1 is only valid on whY bookings
Mileage is 1.25 airmiles per £10 at Lloyds and 1.5 BA miles per £1 at Amex (Amex better).
The main benefit of airmiles against BA miles (no taxes) is of course dying soon. The one additional benefit of the Lloyds card is that you also get a MasterCard card linked to the same account which can be used at the places that don't take Amex, but mileage accrual is at one-fifth of the rate.
The free cards seem to have the same accrual rate (Lloyds 1 airmile per £10, BA 1 BA mile per £1) but Lloyds doubles the accrual for foreign transactions while Amex has the 2-for-1 voucher at £20,000 spent as well as double miles on BA purchases.
The paid-for cards have more differentiation; Lloyds charges a £50 fee as against Amex's £150, and gives a 2-for-1 at £15,000 spent rather than £10,000. However, the Lloyds 2-for-1 is only valid on whY bookings
Mileage is 1.25 airmiles per £10 at Lloyds and 1.5 BA miles per £1 at Amex (Amex better).The main benefit of airmiles against BA miles (no taxes) is of course dying soon. The one additional benefit of the Lloyds card is that you also get a MasterCard card linked to the same account which can be used at the places that don't take Amex, but mileage accrual is at one-fifth of the rate.
