You are so close to it! But it was not 1/3rd it was 25 % !
as it is "closed" anyhow, I give some examples.
LH BKK-FRA-PVG or TG PAR/LON-BKK-DME
AMA always calculated the distance between origin and destination and the one of the longest leg ! And the distance between origin and destination @ least had to be 25% from the longest leg in the itin !
expl. LH BKK-PVG 1798 miles BKK-FRA 5599 longest leg > 25% = 1400 so this worked ! BKK-FRA-HKG not worked because BKK-HKG is less than 1425 miles ( here HKG-FRA is longer 5699 ).
Same TG CDG-BKK is 5878 LON is 5958
CDG-DME is 1547 and LON-DME is 1586 so this was ok with the 25% ! But even the so close to CDG positioned BRU was not valid !
BRU-BKK is 5762 and BRU-DME is 1409 ( But 25% from 5762 is 1441 ) , so it did not work !
It Looks like AMA set up the distance to over 55 %, but of course not only the distance, also still the layover time has to match !

You chaps are quite alright :)

LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it) Rebooted v2.0
 

Well, if that is the reason, I'm quite alright with that.

That sounds reasonable but I don't think it applies to all cases, as for ex-c3 boomerangs any itins ex-icn didn't seem to work, even when the flight times aligned and space was available. Similarly, I can think of boomerangs where flight distance was less than 25% of origin - destination and it still worked on lm.

So is this something that is inherent in Amadeus rather than the LM engine?

Certainly worth exploring.... does anyone know of a way to get visibility into Amadeus routings 'filtered' for *A carriers? KVS does not seem to offer that ability.

Also - I'm not sure I grasped the 'second' reference to 'AMA set up the distance to over 55%' though ? - would it be possible to clarify?

I've edited the quote because I fully expect these to re-emerge in the future.... almost always happens with FDs if you wait long enough :-)

:mad: :mad:

any example , where it worked ? C3 - C3 , where the direct distance between origin and dest. was less than 25 % from the longest leg ?

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Not C3 but C2 - shortest leg 776, longest leg 3869

Sounds like a nice theory though - certainly seems closer than many others.

For example on C2-C2, ***-***-*** used to work just fine but

- ***-*** - 3952 mi
- ***-*** - 3278 mi
- ***-*** - 676 mi

- C1-C1 had ***-***-*** and ***-***-***,
others that come to mind are ***-***-***, ***-***-***.

But, I don't see many such exceptions to the 25% *rule*

Well there are still working boomerangs where this is not satisfied (I'm seeing as low as 25.7% working)

[QUOTE=yerffej201;22945785]i think austrian doesn't work, so only swiss and turkish afaik[/QUOTE

It does work.

Not sure how Amadeus was treating these; don't think it was distance based. It seemed to me that it was region based.

YVR SEA LAX SFO DEN where in one region
YYZ BOS IAD NYC MIA on the east.
Gray zones were DFW IAH
ORD seemed to have the least amount of options

ICN NRT PVG PEK one region
BKK KUL SIN another
HKG gray zone

Certain married segments would allow F to pop up 3 months out. That was the first to disappear a month ago.

After the FT member's incident, US-US went first 5-7 days before Can-US disappeared.

All viewable on Amadeus.

Amadeus is also weird. Some flights that depart shortly after midnight would not appear. Most Middle east to Europe departures and some Asia to Europe departures. So those flights would never be listed as an option even when F was available. Even now, when you search BKK to LHR/CDG/ZRH as an example and specify TG, Amadeus will not show the midnight flight. But still bookable through LM as a direct flight.

The distance rule seems more plausible to me, especially to explain why certain C2 cities worked for boomerangs to C1 / C3 and others didn't, i.e surely (DUB, LHR,) AMS, FCO, MAD, ZRH, FRA, MUC are not split into different regions.

perhaps it's a combination of both. the amadeus timetable theory makes perfect sense, and so does the distance idea. but there are exceptions to both rules.

yes, it was c3-c3. pmed.

I agree, and think it'd be nice if we at least stopped posting "dead" routings directly online... although I sound like a total hypocrite.

There's no need to cipher codes and boomerangs anymore in v2.0??

I read on airlineroute that the non cabbage airline plans to start flights between China and everyone's favourite confection. However, I assume they'll be looking out for people making a break for the Maglev into the city!

Haven't checked if the connections are 'good'.

I believe they just applied for it. Not sure how long before its actually approved.....

Of course not. Everything must be killed! :rolleyes: :mad:

I tried, efforts were rejected, so apparently even rather than ...... coding, the preference is for none. 100% bonus ends in 2 days, at which point a quick unsubscribe will certainly be in order. I'll have so much time back :D.

Let's just create a wiki where everyone can add every trick they know or have known for everyone to see. Thats where we are headed now anyway.

What kind of black magic did you use to get an OS flight?
You must be the first one to be able to book an OS flight with LM.

Already exists. The secret excel file in the aussie forum.

He's not the only one :)

So you are saying that you can book any routing VIE - XXX which is offered by OS not only some system anomaly?

There's no magic, you just have to know what to look for.

Only bookable OS route is VIE < > JFK at the moment. All other routes are operated by Tyrolean, hence not visible on LM. NRT and BKK used to be operated by OS as well, but not anymore.

http://i.imgur.com/JYuB2Ml.jpg

Availability is nightmare though.

JFK is not in C3. ;-)

The claim was for an C3N - C3S routing via OS!

And btw - OS88 is also operated by VO.

There is another route bookable with OS which originates in C3.

The one you pmed me, was absolutly in rule with the 25% ! I PM back to you

No idea about that ! I never checked anything origin or departing from/to C1 .

very strange I still found one C2--C2.5 via C3 which works.
But it only works from one Airport in C2 to one in C2.5 ! No explaination why the others not work.

Definitely more than 1 airport ex C2 where it works.

So I have to be at a party and offline for a bit over 24 hours and already all hell breaks loose here?

There are more airports from C2 to C2.5 and if we have the same C2.5 there is a stop in that leg, which probably explains its exceptional showing up.

As for some of you guys writing you have an exception to the distance rule (and bertheike, we should compare our distance tables :) ), I have tested that very extensively when it was still working and I've found only two classes of exception:
- one was with one specific region only, so there could be something in the argument that a combination of rules was used in the algorithm. In this region there might have been a "sub-region" rule. You don't find these anymore after the changes, so it's difficult to impossible to say whether this assumption holds true.
- the other one was for quite a few well known boomies of a different sort, where the destination was what I call a "lonely airport" (and these still do exist thanks god). There are a few in C2 but with abysmal availability, there are some in C3, C4 etc. etc. All of these boomerangs still work so that's about as much as you will hear from me. :)

No magic necessary, DO&CO quite edible (over a two-course meal) e.g. for next week ;)

I assume you've never seen it then?

I had a curious look around LM today.

Yes things have changed a lot and some real winners gone but lots of the old tricks from C 2 seem valid. C availability seemed low but lots in cattle class showing up even for some of our favs.

Searched around candy too. Interesting route back to wood cutter. Via C1 to c2 to our mis placed C1 airport.

You know what they say. You never stop learning.

Oh on secret files. Love them......

Availability is the major problem with OS on many routes not operated by Tyrolean but they do work!

I wonder if there is a 14-day release to LM on these - the furthest I see is seats (both Y and J) is Jun 15

I once booked BKK > VIE > TLV :D

Is there any c6 - c3 routes left now, I can't find them anymore.

Managed to book a 2-stop C3-C3 via C3 & C2 in J. How do I add to the knowledge base of info?