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Originally Posted by JJeffrey
(Post 30015538)
That sounds terribly wrong. You should be charged the same taxes and fees when using a BE award as a normal AAdvantage award (definitely no YQ on AA metal).
Looking at aa.com, a dummy award booking in business using AA to LHR then BA to TLS comes back with $165 in taxes/fees round trip. Have you already booked it? I would for sure call back to get the taxes recalculated and a refund if you've already booked it. Whenever I book BE awards, I always put the flights on hold at aa.com then call Meeting Services to have it ticketed as a BE award. That way there's no question as to the flights, taxes, etc. This essentially makes this award useless. It’s much cheaper to book an AA business anytime from USA to Europe, then a separate intra Europe ticket. The problem with this is I have to collect and recheck bags when arriving in Europe, then again on the way back. |
Originally Posted by jgsx
(Post 30030089)
I spoke to Meeting Services twice, and the rate desk. Every Business Partner award prices out like this. Even with AA flights over the Atlantic, adding a BA connection in Europe makes the entire thing price out as if was all BA, so with YQ it is $1200-1350. I even tried Iberia, and it prices out to over $1100. This essentially makes this award useless. It’s much cheaper to book an AA business anytime from USA to Europe, then a separate intra Europe ticket. The problem with this is I have to collect and recheck bags when arriving in Europe, then again on the way back. |
This is my recent experience as well that partner awards price out with the higher fuel, even if your long haul segments are on American Airlines metal. This wasn't always the case. When partner awards were first introduced I booked multiple partner awards staying on American Airlines metal on the long haul segment and was only charged the AA fuel/taxes. This was a couple years ago, however.
Keep in mind though that partner awards are anytime awards. A business class partner award to Europe is 14,000 points and includes intra-Europe flights that may be needed. An Anytime award is 18,000 points and would need to be on American metal only. No one in their right mind would redeem an Anytime award if the you could capture the lower fuel on a partner award as it's less miles. You just need to make the decision if the point savings and regional flights are worth the approximately $1,000 extra cash co-pay (or for an extra 2,000 points and $1,000 you can be in first class on a partner award versus an Anytime business award). |
Originally Posted by platbrownguy
(Post 30030231)
Did you try what the other poster said, and try putting an award on hold on aa.com (with the correct, lower taxes and fees), then calling to ticket as a BE award?
It looks like with partner awards, the full YR fuel surcharge exists even if flying AA metal over the ocean. That alone is just over $1000, taking this to just under $1300 total. The AAnytime (BX63) award on AA metal is just under $300 in fees. So sadly, this partner award (BP03) isn't of much use. As mrfussion pointed out, Partner BP03 is 14k points with high fuel surcharges, or AA Anytime BX63 is 18k points + Partner Intra-Euro BP40 for 6k. So 14k points with high fuel surcharge, or 24k points on two tickets (need to recheck bags), and low fuel surcharge. |
Originally Posted by mrfussion
(Post 30032239)
Keep in mind though that partner awards are anytime awards. A business class partner award to Europe is 14,000 points and includes intra-Europe flights that may be needed. An Anytime award is 18,000 points and would need to be on American metal only. No one in their right mind would redeem an Anytime award if the you could capture the lower fuel on a partner award as it's less miles. You just need to make the decision if the point savings and regional flights are worth the approximately $1,000 extra cash co-pay (or for an extra 2,000 points and $1,000 you can be in first class on a partner award versus an Anytime business award).
Originally Posted by jgsx
(Post 30032811)
I did. I got a very helpful agent that tried her best. The pricing is not the same as normal mileage awards.
It looks like with partner awards, the full YR fuel surcharge exists even if flying AA metal over the ocean. That alone is just over $1000, taking this to just under $1300 total. The AAnytime (BX63) award on AA metal is just under $300 in fees. So sadly, this partner award (BP03) isn't of much use. As mrfussion pointed out, Partner BP03 is 14k points with high fuel surcharges, or AA Anytime BX63 is 18k points + Partner Intra-Euro BP40 for 6k. So 14k points with high fuel surcharge, or 24k points on two tickets (need to recheck bags), and low fuel surcharge. AAnytime awards have never been valid on partner metal and cannot include any segments on a carrier other than AA. If true, then this hypothetical 'partner AAnytime' to Europe would cost 14k while the stand alone AA only AAnytime would cost 18k, which makes no sense at all, regardless of taxes/fees. The partner awards include sAAver space (just like every other partner award), the correct calculation should be a 14k partner award compared to a 7.2k AA sAAver to Europe + 6k partner award intra-Europe. If you're flying AA metal to Europe then the partner awards rarely if ever make sense, as you're essentially spending almost double the points to add intra Europe flight(s) on BA or IB which can be purchased for $200-300 all day long (in coach, granted). The BE partner awards have always seemed like a total ripoff based on the points they require, hence the very limited discussion and datapoints on here. |
Originally Posted by JJeffrey
(Post 30035112)
This doesn't look right.
AAnytime awards have never been valid on partner metal and cannot include any segments on a carrier other than AA. If true, then this hypothetical 'partner AAnytime' to Europe would cost 14k while the stand alone AA only AAnytime would cost 18k, which makes no sense at all, regardless of taxes/fees. The partner awards include sAAver space (just like every other partner award), the correct calculation should be a 14k partner award compared to a 7.2k AA sAAver to Europe + 6k partner award intra-Europe. If you're flying AA metal to Europe then the partner awards rarely if ever make sense, as you're essentially spending almost double the points to add intra Europe flight(s) on BA or IB which can be purchased for $200-300 all day long (in coach, granted). The BE partner awards have always seemed like a total ripoff based on the points they require, hence the very limited discussion and datapoints on here. I only use Anytime awards, since PlanAhead doesn't have enough availability. An Anytime BX63 Business award is 18000 points for North America to Europe. It only works on AA metal. Books into J. Taxes and Fees come out to under $300 to LHR because of the high LHR to USA tax. It can be under $100 for somewhere like USA to Madrid. No high YR fuel surcharge A Partner BP03 Business award is 14000 points for North America to Europe. It works on AA, BA and IB. Requires at least one BA or IB segment. Books into J on AA (so essentially an Anytime) and R on partner intra-euro. There is a YR fuel surcharge, even if flying on AA metal over the Atlantic. So taxes and fees are ~$1100-$1300. A Partner BP40 Business award is 6000 points intra-Euro. It works on BA and IB. So an Anytime BP63 + BP40 is 18000 + 6000 = 24000 points, with no major YR charge. But two separate PNRs, so need to recheck bags. A Partner award gives same J availability, and is 14000 points, but with a major YR charge. |
JJeffrey -- partner awards do have anytime availability for American, British, and Iberia. I have booked many and can tell you this from experience. They are not limited to saver space and a "total ripoff". I think they have pretty good value if I need to fly British anyway (sometimes I've needed the early BA LAX-LHR flight to make a same day connection at LHR, and I'd much rather pay the taxes/fees than spend the night). As was discussed already, the downside is partner awards incur taxes/fees comparable to what you'd pay on a British Airways award regardless of if your long haul segment is on American.
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Originally Posted by mrfussion
(Post 30036573)
JJeffrey -- partner awards do have anytime availability for American, British, and Iberia. I have booked many and can tell you this from experience. They are not limited to saver space and a "total ripoff". I think they have pretty good value if I need to fly British anyway (sometimes I've needed the early BA LAX-LHR flight to make a same day connection at LHR, and I'd much rather pay the taxes/fees than spend the night). As was discussed already, the downside is partner awards incur taxes/fees comparable to what you'd pay on a British Airways award regardless of if your long haul segment is on American.
If this is correct, I'd also find this to be pretty good value... |
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Originally Posted by swag
(Post 30019780)
My monthly summary email today contained this:
It really was a quick survey, asking what sort of communication content from Business Extra I find most valuable. So happy to get the extra free 500 points. I'm not sure if this was targeted or not, but those of you who normally don't bother reading these emails, may want to take a closer look now. |
Originally Posted by txpenny
(Post 30068458)
Anyone have their free 500 points post?
And the sooner, the better, as I am 450 points away from a BXP3... which I am ready to use for a trip later this year. :D |
Have BE points for July posted for anyone yet? None of my flights posted. |
Originally Posted by rumboj
(Post 30088425)
Have BE points for July posted for anyone yet? None of my flights posted. None of mine flights have posted. Nor have my points from the survey. Why do I get the feeling the operation is run by one person who decided to go to the beach this month? |
Originally Posted by Uncle Nonny
(Post 30088739)
None of mine flights have posted. Nor have my points from the survey. Why do I get the feeling the operation is run by one person who decided to go to the beach this month?
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Originally Posted by Uncle Nonny
(Post 30088739)
None of mine flights have posted. Nor have my points from the survey. Why do I get the feeling the operation is run by one person who decided to go to the beach this month?
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