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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
The standard requirement is that the award complies with the governing carrier's fare rules. Unless EY or QR have a fare specified that would allow that routing, then would expect it to be rejected as a single award cost

For AUH-BKK, both EY and QR have very specific permitted routings and neither show a routing that will permit this. I would expect this to be priced as 2 awards
Can you elaborate on the permitted routings?
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
Excluding any other rules, journey distance is 6,658 mi. and MPM is 6235 mi. which would make it 2 awards on its own
That ignores the 25% overage of the published MPM that AAdv partner awards allow.
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
Excluding any other rules, journey distance is 6,658 mi. and MPM is 6235 mi. which would make it 2 awards on its own
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we exceed the MPM by 25%?
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:20 pm
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Originally Posted by yiky98
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we exceed the MPM by 25%?
No - you need to comply with the rules of the fare
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy
Can you elaborate on the permitted routings?
QR's rules are

AUH-DOH-BKK
AUH-DOH-KUL(MH)BKK
AUH-DOH-HKG(CX)BKK
AUH-DOH-HKT(PG)BKK
AUH-DOH-JKT(GA)BKK
AUH-DOH-RGN(8M)BKK
AUH-DOH-SEL(OZ)BKK
AUH-DOH-DPS(GA)BKK
AUH-DOH-SIN(3K)BKK
AUH-DOH-TYO/OSA(JL)BKK

so no AUH-DOH on EY
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:23 pm
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Originally Posted by yiky98
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we exceed the MPM by 25%?
Yes, you are correct for MPM-based fares.

The sole F fare I see for JL is constructed; SEA- SFO +SFO-ICN, so, that's you're actual answer, best as I can see. I just picked a random date though.

But, you're right on the 25% allowed overage on MPM-based fares.
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
No - you need to comply with the rules of the fare
You're not making any sense.
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:26 pm
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
Yes, you are correct for MPM-based fares.

The sole F fare I see for JL is constructed; SEA- SFO +SFO-ICN, so, that's you're actual answer, best as I can see. I just picked a random date though.

But, you're right on the 25% allowed overage on MPM-based fares.
The F1EQ4B fare does not seem to be a constructed fare
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:26 pm
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
You're not making any sense.
I was under the impression that the rules ( including routing rules ) were relevant and that the MPM on a mileage based fare is the limit allowed
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
QR's rules are

AUH-DOH-BKK
AUH-DOH-KUL(MH)BKK
AUH-DOH-HKG(CX)BKK
AUH-DOH-HKT(PG)BKK
AUH-DOH-JKT(GA)BKK
AUH-DOH-RGN(8M)BKK
AUH-DOH-SEL(OZ)BKK
AUH-DOH-DPS(GA)BKK
AUH-DOH-SIN(3K)BKK
AUH-DOH-TYO/OSA(JL)BKK

so no AUH-DOH on EY
Thanks. Really appreciate it.

Do you mind to also find QR's routing rules on AUH-DOH-BKK-HKG? This is the one I intend to fly and hope it to be a single award.
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
I was under the impression that the rules ( including routing rules ) were relevant and that the MPM on a mileage based fare is the limit allowed
Ah, now I understand. No, as has been established for a LONG time, for an AAdv award a 25% overage is allowed on the published MPM-- again, for a purely MPM-based fare.

I'm pretty sure you actually know this and just forgot momentarily.
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Originally Posted by Happy
Do you mind to also find QR's routing rules on AUH-DOH-BKK-HKG?
This gets into "paying for expertflyer.com's info" territory.
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
The F1EQ4B fare does not seem to be a constructed fare
It also isn't a one-way fare.
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:37 pm
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
It also isn't a one-way fare.
F1EQ2B is a one-way fare though and is also not constructed
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Old Mar 2, 2016, 10:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
F1EQ2B is a one-way fare though and is also not constructed
I guess it must show up different ways on different dates-- the random date I picked (3/31) showed up as one-way only, but not constructed.
Oops, I was looking at F1EQ4B

Regardless, yiky98 was correct, of course, from the very, very first days these awards were introduced rule was (and is) :

An All-Partner Award must use the most direct routing, which means either of the following:

1. A published revenue fare's explicitly permitted routing,
or
2. MPM+25% (if the fare doesn't have specified routings)
But, again, I think you only misplaced that fact momentarily as it's been established throughout literally 100's of these querries.

Last edited by JonNYC; Mar 2, 2016 at 10:51 pm Reason: was looking at wrong fare
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