Apr 24, 2019, 11:32 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
State of the widebody aircraft Premium Economy retrofit 1st half of 2019
The 787-8 retrofit standardizes 788 seating at C20, W28, Y186 (of which 42 are MCE). Refitting took two weeks per airframe, and two were in the shop at Paine Field at any one time. AA begins selling Premium Economy tickets as if 1 May (if not before) on the 787-8.
787-8 Current Status as of 24 April April 2019: NO J28 788s left in service, refit completed.:
REFIT TO PE: N800AN was the test article / prototype (PAE Sep 2018), N816AA was the last (returned to service 24 Apr 2019).
List of (20) existing Boeing 787-8s: (reg # / fleet #)
N800AN / 8AA (refitted to 20 J seats, Premium Economy - test article)
N801AC / 8AB (refitted)
N802AN / 8AC (refitted)
N803AL / 8AD (refitted)
N804AN / 8AE (refitted)
N805AN / 8AF (refitted)
N806AA / 8AG (refitted)
N807AA / 8AH (refitted)
N808AN / 8AJ (refitted)
N809AA / 8AK (refitted)
N810AN / 8AL (refitted)
N811AB / 8AM (refitted)
N812AA / 8AN (refitted)
N813AN / 8AP (refitted)
N814AA / 8AR (refitted)
N815AA / 8AS (refitted)
N816AA / 8AT (refitted)
N817AN / 8AU (refitted)
N818AL / 8AV (refitted)
N819AN / 8AW (refitted)
Thanks to econometrics, b]golfingboy, hawkfan7314,
jvel, rjlon, United857!
Last updated on 24 April 2019
NOTE: There are no J28 - without Premium Economy 788s in service as of 17 April 2019. See (unofficial) American Fleet Site here for fairly current listings..
All Boeing 787-9 have Premium Economy “out of the box”.
All Boeing 777-300ER / 77W have been refitted with Premium Economy
All 777-200ER / 772 All have been refitted with 37 Business seats and have Premium Economy.
All Airbus A330-200s have been refitted with Premium Economy. (A330-300s are ultimately scheduled for retirement and will not be fitted with PE at this time.)
Review of 772 PE by ThePointsGuy HERE. Photos below from ThePointsGuy.
AA Rockwell Collins MiQ Premium Economy seats
(only bulkhead Seats have legrests)
and
See New 777-300 / 77W Config with Premium Economy as of Dec 2017
Link to AA Premium Economy page.
Not being retrofitted with Premium Economy seats:
AA has begun offering AA (only) Premium Economy awards.
Link to AA press release announcing Premium Economy
Link to virtual PEY experience on aa.com
Link to Ft. Worth Star-Telegram article
Link to Chicago Tribune article
Link to Gary Leff - View from the Wing blog
Link to Australian Business Traveller blog
Link to archived "Speculation" thread.
Older posts from 2018 have been archived and can be read here.
Older posts from 2015-2017 have been archived and can be read here.
The 787-8 retrofit standardizes 788 seating at C20, W28, Y186 (of which 42 are MCE). Refitting took two weeks per airframe, and two were in the shop at Paine Field at any one time. AA begins selling Premium Economy tickets as if 1 May (if not before) on the 787-8.
787-8 Current Status as of 24 April April 2019: NO J28 788s left in service, refit completed.:
REFIT TO PE: N800AN was the test article / prototype (PAE Sep 2018), N816AA was the last (returned to service 24 Apr 2019).
List of (20) existing Boeing 787-8s: (reg # / fleet #)
N800AN / 8AA (refitted to 20 J seats, Premium Economy - test article)
N801AC / 8AB (refitted)
N802AN / 8AC (refitted)
N803AL / 8AD (refitted)
N804AN / 8AE (refitted)
N805AN / 8AF (refitted)
N806AA / 8AG (refitted)
N807AA / 8AH (refitted)
N808AN / 8AJ (refitted)
N809AA / 8AK (refitted)
N810AN / 8AL (refitted)
N811AB / 8AM (refitted)
N812AA / 8AN (refitted)
N813AN / 8AP (refitted)
N814AA / 8AR (refitted)
N815AA / 8AS (refitted)
N816AA / 8AT (refitted)
N817AN / 8AU (refitted)
N818AL / 8AV (refitted)
N819AN / 8AW (refitted)
Aircraft movement to / from to PAE for retrofitting in 2019:
N810AN to PAE 9 Jan from DFW
N812AA to PAE 11 Jan from DFW
N809AA to PAE 24 Jan from ORD
N812AA back in service 24 Jan
N802AN to PAE 29 Jan from DFW
N810AN back in service 24 Jan
N806AA to PAE 02 Feb
N809AA back in service 03 Feb
N802AN back in service 08 Feb
N803AL to KPAE 8 Feb
N811AB to KPAE 12 Feb
N803AL back in service 18 Feb
N805AN to KPAE 20 Feb
N811AB back in service 23 Feb
N804AN to KPAE 23 Feb
N805AN back in service 28 Feb (to ORD)
N814AN and N817AN to KPAE 4 March (from ORD)
N804AN back in service 4 March (to ORD)
N807AA to KPAE 10 March (from ORD)
N817AN back in service 10 March (to ORD)
N814AN back in service 13 March (to DFW)
N819AN / 8AW to PAE 20 Mar
N807AA back in service 20 March (from DFW)
N813AN back in service 25 March (from DFW)
N808AN to PAE 25 Mar
N819AN back in service 29 March
N818AL to PAE 30 Mar
N801AC to PAE 6 April
N808AN back in service 6 April (to DFW)
N818AL back in service 10 April (to DFW)
N815AA to PAE 11 April
N816AA to PAE 17 April
N801AC to ORD 17 Apr
N815AA to DFW 20 Apr
N816AA to ORD 24 Apr
N810AN to PAE 9 Jan from DFW
N812AA to PAE 11 Jan from DFW
N809AA to PAE 24 Jan from ORD
N812AA back in service 24 Jan
N802AN to PAE 29 Jan from DFW
N810AN back in service 24 Jan
N806AA to PAE 02 Feb
N809AA back in service 03 Feb
N802AN back in service 08 Feb
N803AL to KPAE 8 Feb
N811AB to KPAE 12 Feb
N803AL back in service 18 Feb
N805AN to KPAE 20 Feb
N811AB back in service 23 Feb
N804AN to KPAE 23 Feb
N805AN back in service 28 Feb (to ORD)
N814AN and N817AN to KPAE 4 March (from ORD)
N804AN back in service 4 March (to ORD)
N807AA to KPAE 10 March (from ORD)
N817AN back in service 10 March (to ORD)
N814AN back in service 13 March (to DFW)
N819AN / 8AW to PAE 20 Mar
N807AA back in service 20 March (from DFW)
N813AN back in service 25 March (from DFW)
N808AN to PAE 25 Mar
N819AN back in service 29 March
N818AL to PAE 30 Mar
N801AC to PAE 6 April
N808AN back in service 6 April (to DFW)
N818AL back in service 10 April (to DFW)
N815AA to PAE 11 April
N816AA to PAE 17 April
N801AC to ORD 17 Apr
N815AA to DFW 20 Apr
N816AA to ORD 24 Apr
Thanks to econometrics, b]golfingboy, hawkfan7314,
jvel, rjlon, United857!
Last updated on 24 April 2019
NOTE: There are no J28 - without Premium Economy 788s in service as of 17 April 2019. See (unofficial) American Fleet Site here for fairly current listings..
All Boeing 787-9 have Premium Economy “out of the box”.
All Boeing 777-300ER / 77W have been refitted with Premium Economy
All 777-200ER / 772 All have been refitted with 37 Business seats and have Premium Economy.
All Airbus A330-200s have been refitted with Premium Economy. (A330-300s are ultimately scheduled for retirement and will not be fitted with PE at this time.)
Review of 772 PE by ThePointsGuy HERE. Photos below from ThePointsGuy.
AA Rockwell Collins MiQ Premium Economy seats
(only bulkhead Seats have legrests)
and
See New 777-300 / 77W Config with Premium Economy as of Dec 2017
Link to AA Premium Economy page.
Not being retrofitted with Premium Economy seats:
- 767-300ER / 763
- A330-300
AA has begun offering AA (only) Premium Economy awards.
Link to AA press release announcing Premium Economy
Link to virtual PEY experience on aa.com
Link to Ft. Worth Star-Telegram article
Link to Chicago Tribune article
Link to Gary Leff - View from the Wing blog
Link to Australian Business Traveller blog
Link to archived "Speculation" thread.
Older posts from 2018 have been archived and can be read here.
Older posts from 2015-2017 have been archived and can be read here.
ARCHIVE: Boeing 787-8 / 788 Premium Economy / PE / PEY progress and seat info
Feb 16, 2019, 9:41 pm
#31
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 1
Ord-Fco concern
Wife and I are flying ord-fco and back early April on a 788. I love the mini cabin and want to book in rows 6/7 but at concerned that they could switch it out due to retrofits and have us getting downgraded.
is this something I should be worried about or is it safe to book 6L/7L?
is this something I should be worried about or is it safe to book 6L/7L?
Feb 16, 2019, 9:45 pm
#32
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 1,285
Wife and I are flying ord-fco and back early April on a 788. I love the mini cabin and want to book in rows 6/7 but at concerned that they could switch it out due to retrofits and have us getting downgraded.
is this something I should be worried about or is it safe to book 6L/7L?
is this something I should be worried about or is it safe to book 6L/7L?
Feb 16, 2019, 11:08 pm
#33
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Wife and I are flying ord-fco and back early April on a 788. I love the mini cabin and want to book in rows 6/7 but at concerned that they could switch it out due to retrofits and have us getting downgraded.
is this something I should be worried about or is it safe to book 6L/7L?
is this something I should be worried about or is it safe to book 6L/7L?
Feb 18, 2019, 12:53 pm
#34
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DFW
Programs: AA EXP, LT Gold
Posts: 3,148
N803AL coming back to DFW this afternoon from PAE. 10-day turnaround on that one.
Should see another 788 fly up to replace it in the next 24h. Probably N818AL.
Should see another 788 fly up to replace it in the next 24h. Probably N818AL.
Feb 20, 2019, 8:20 am
#35
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DFW
Programs: AA EXP, LT Gold
Posts: 3,148
I was wrong. N805AN going to PAE from DFW today.
We are 1 frame away from being halfway thru the refit. ^
We are 1 frame away from being halfway thru the refit. ^
Feb 21, 2019, 6:30 am
#36
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 12
I am flying AA2410 on N801AC later today and the seat map is showing as the refit with premium economy. It looks like at one point it was supposed to be N809AA which would make more sense, so I'll be curious to see if the seat map changes back to the old version (hope not), if the equipment changes again or if 801 is going to be a surprise addition to the refit list.
Feb 21, 2019, 8:52 am
#37
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DFW
Programs: AA EXP, LT Gold
Posts: 3,148
I am flying AA2410 on N801AC later today and the seat map is showing as the refit with premium economy. It looks like at one point it was supposed to be N809AA which would make more sense, so I'll be curious to see if the seat map changes back to the old version (hope not), if the equipment changes again or if 801 is going to be a surprise addition to the refit list.
Here's the data from the inbound from ORD: https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-details/AA/2238?year=2019&month=2&date=21&flightId=990644595
N801AC does not have PE.
Feb 21, 2019, 2:37 pm
#38
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 12
Sure enough, about an hour before flight time they just changed the seating chart back to the 28J frame. I can't help but wonder if I had grabbed something in row 6 or 7 (which were available, ugh) before the switch back if they would have left me in those J seats or moved me back.
Feb 21, 2019, 2:41 pm
#39
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 1,285
Sure enough, about an hour before flight time they just changed the seating chart back to the 28J frame. I can't help but wonder if I had grabbed something in row 6 or 7 (which were available, ugh) before the switch back if they would have left me in those J seats or moved me back.
Feb 21, 2019, 3:30 pm
#40
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 12
Confirmed this exactly what happened, good call. It was chaos at the gate with at least 20 people being moved, plus 8 upgrades cleared. Not sure the gate agents even understood exactly what happened... at least not as well as this group did
Feb 22, 2019, 4:38 am
#41
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Chicago
Programs: AA Plat Pro, HH Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 124
Is AA only releasing the mini cabin F seats at the gate?
AA2238 is looking to be a nonrefit bird today, however AA is still holding 8 open F seats. I’d like to SDFC, but it’s not looking likely as my scheduled flight departs prior and I’m not entirely confident in trying to standby for F.
AA2238 is looking to be a nonrefit bird today, however AA is still holding 8 open F seats. I’d like to SDFC, but it’s not looking likely as my scheduled flight departs prior and I’m not entirely confident in trying to standby for F.
Feb 22, 2019, 7:59 am
#42
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DFW
Programs: AA EXP, LT Gold
Posts: 3,148
Basically, yes. https://onemileatatime.com/american-787-retrofit/
Feb 22, 2019, 8:16 am
#43
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 12
Is AA only releasing the mini cabin F seats at the gate?
AA2238 is looking to be a nonrefit bird today, however AA is still holding 8 open F seats. I’d like to SDFC, but it’s not looking likely as my scheduled flight departs prior and I’m not entirely confident in trying to standby for F.
AA2238 is looking to be a nonrefit bird today, however AA is still holding 8 open F seats. I’d like to SDFC, but it’s not looking likely as my scheduled flight departs prior and I’m not entirely confident in trying to standby for F.
Feb 22, 2019, 8:36 am
#44
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Chicago
Programs: AA Plat Pro, HH Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 124
It was a no go. Flight was oversold, so those with upgrade requests get cleared first before paid J on standby.
Upgrade list was 30+ long for 8 seats, so it was stay on earlier flight in J, settle for random coach seat on the 788, or risk not clearing at all. Stayed with original flight.
Upgrade list was 30+ long for 8 seats, so it was stay on earlier flight in J, settle for random coach seat on the 788, or risk not clearing at all. Stayed with original flight.
Feb 22, 2019, 9:29 am
#45
Join Date: Jun 2011
Programs: United Premier Platinum
Posts: 638
In people’s experience flying the 788 since January, how often do planes/seat maps change in the week before a flight? If NRT-ORD next Friday is showing a 28-J bird, is that fairly reliable (barring IRROPS, etc)?
Trying to to gauge how likely is it that my wife will be upgraded at the gate vs be on a bird with just 20 (sold-out) J seats.
Trying to to gauge how likely is it that my wife will be upgraded at the gate vs be on a bird with just 20 (sold-out) J seats.