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Unfortunately, I had Premium Economy booking on that flight for late January. Really messes things up since the only alternate routing with PE is via HNL.
Same disappointment here. It looks like the last flights of non-stop KOA-DFW and HNL-CLT will be on Jan 3, 2022. I also do not see non-stop DFW-LIH in Dec 2021. Based on the schedule left, DL and UA are both less expensive and more convenient (for paid tickets and award travel).Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
DFW-KOA doesn't appear to operate at all in 2022 past the first week in January.Unfortunately, I had Premium Economy booking on that flight for late January. Really messes things up since the only alternate routing with PE is via HNL.
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In the end that's exactly what we chose to change to.Originally Posted by FlyerBeek
Wouldn't KOA-HNL-DFW be preferable to a painfully short redeye and connection in LAX? Especially if you can get confirmed in PE via HNL? Even if the intra-island flight adds an additional segment (assuming you are ultimately continuing to PHL), I think I would still prefer to be on HNL-DFW flight.-FlyerBeek
It was odd that when DFW-KOA dropped out AA's system automatically changed us to regular economy on narrow body AA metal connecting flights. The system did not consider that we had paid for PE. It seems their system is programed/biased to avoid inter-island connections on HA. When I called AA, the agent at first only offered AA metal narrow-body flights as alternatives. I had to feed the agent the AA codeshare flight numbers for the HA flights to/from HNL.
Not thrilled with the extra time and inter-island flight, but we did keep PE on the long legs.
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It was odd that when DFW-KOA dropped out AA's system automatically changed us to regular economy on narrow body AA metal connecting flights. The system did not consider that we had paid for PE. It seems their system is programed/biased to avoid inter-island connections on HA. When I called AA, the agent at first only offered AA metal narrow-body flights as alternatives. I had to feed the agent the AA codeshare flight numbers for the HA flights to/from HNL.
Not thrilled with the extra time and inter-island flight, but we did keep PE on the long legs.
Glad to hear it worked out. The HA interisland flights are relatively painless. Backtracking the 150mi to HNL will be more than compensated by the added comfort of PE HNL-DFW.Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
In the end that's exactly what we chose to change to.It was odd that when DFW-KOA dropped out AA's system automatically changed us to regular economy on narrow body AA metal connecting flights. The system did not consider that we had paid for PE. It seems their system is programed/biased to avoid inter-island connections on HA. When I called AA, the agent at first only offered AA metal narrow-body flights as alternatives. I had to feed the agent the AA codeshare flight numbers for the HA flights to/from HNL.
Not thrilled with the extra time and inter-island flight, but we did keep PE on the long legs.
-FlyerBeek
Have to say, rather surprised at the apparent demise of DFW-KOA. That has been on the schedule (seasonally) for actually several years now and the % of the year it was flying seemed to be increasing. Given the tilt towards leisure travel these days and the fact that they just went to the trouble of specifically annotating that this flight is now eligible for both Admirals Club and Flagship Lounge access (when in Business) I am quite surprised they are abandoning it now.
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It was odd that when DFW-KOA dropped out AA's system automatically changed us to regular economy on narrow body AA metal connecting flights. The system did not consider that we had paid for PE. It seems their system is programed/biased to avoid inter-island connections on HA. When I called AA, the agent at first only offered AA metal narrow-body flights as alternatives. I had to feed the agent the AA codeshare flight numbers for the HA flights to/from HNL.
Not thrilled with the extra time and inter-island flight, but we did keep PE on the long legs.
It's likely by design. It's cheaper to put you on AA metal.Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
In the end that's exactly what we chose to change to.It was odd that when DFW-KOA dropped out AA's system automatically changed us to regular economy on narrow body AA metal connecting flights. The system did not consider that we had paid for PE. It seems their system is programed/biased to avoid inter-island connections on HA. When I called AA, the agent at first only offered AA metal narrow-body flights as alternatives. I had to feed the agent the AA codeshare flight numbers for the HA flights to/from HNL.
Not thrilled with the extra time and inter-island flight, but we did keep PE on the long legs.
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The last time DFW-LIH operated, it only operated for one season, back in winter 2017/2018 I think. Not sure why it didn't stick around. Either way, AA might not have the right equipment for the route right now--too long a route for any narrowbody, and not sure if their smallest widebody, the 788, can make it off the short runway at LIH loaded with pax, cargo, and fuel to DFW.Originally Posted by Alex_I
Same disappointment here. It looks like the last flights of non-stop KOA-DFW and HNL-CLT will be on Jan 3, 2022. I also do not see non-stop DFW-LIH in Dec 2021. Based on the schedule left, DL and UA are both less expensive and more convenient (for paid tickets and award travel).
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- I thought I flew it twice but it could be the same year. It was 767 then. I did not realize that both runaways at LIH are just 6,500 ft - too short for all the wide bodies except B767-200 (only 6,300 ft is needed).Originally Posted by dkc192
DFW-LIH only operated for one season, back in winter 2017/2018 I think. Not sure why it didn't stick around. Either way, AA might not have the right equipment for the route right now--too long a route for any narrowbody, and not sure if their smallest widebody, the 788, can make it off the short runway at LIH loaded with pax, cargo, and fuel to DFW.
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It was odd that when DFW-KOA dropped out AA's system automatically changed us to regular economy on narrow body AA metal connecting flights. The system did not consider that we had paid for PE. It seems their system is programed/biased to avoid inter-island connections on HA. When I called AA, the agent at first only offered AA metal narrow-body flights as alternatives. I had to feed the agent the AA codeshare flight numbers for the HA flights to/from HNL.
Not thrilled with the extra time and inter-island flight, but we did keep PE on the long legs.
Was this for revenue or award travel? Thanks.Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
In the end that's exactly what we chose to change to.It was odd that when DFW-KOA dropped out AA's system automatically changed us to regular economy on narrow body AA metal connecting flights. The system did not consider that we had paid for PE. It seems their system is programed/biased to avoid inter-island connections on HA. When I called AA, the agent at first only offered AA metal narrow-body flights as alternatives. I had to feed the agent the AA codeshare flight numbers for the HA flights to/from HNL.
Not thrilled with the extra time and inter-island flight, but we did keep PE on the long legs.
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Minor correction, but AA used the 763 on the DFW-LIH route. Both the 762 and 763 have excellent short field capability for a widebody aircraft (depending on the engines, of course - I believe all of AA's 767s used the excellent GE CF-6). When I've flown an empty takeoff on a 767 it's like a rocket ship (not quite like the 757, but close).Originally Posted by Alex_I
- I thought I flew it twice but it could be the same year. It was 767 then. I did not realize that both runaways at LIH are just 6,500 ft - too short for all the wide bodies except B767-200 (only 6,300 ft is needed).
-FlyerBeek
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Revenue.Originally Posted by seawolf
Was this for revenue or award travel? Thanks.
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But doesn't HA charge bag fees if you originate with a HA operated flight?Originally Posted by FlyerBeek
Glad to hear it worked out. The HA interisland flights are relatively painless. Backtracking the 150mi to HNL will be more than compensated by the added comfort of PE HNL-DFW.-FlyerBeek
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Correct. Even if you're rebooked on a AA codeshare (HA operated) interisland flight, you would still need to pay the bag fee with HA.Originally Posted by PDXPremier
But doesn't HA charge bag fees if you originate with a HA operated flight?
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Is this a recent change? I know Hawaiian used to charge bag fees regardless of AA status or fare. However, based on my experience of a few years ago, when the trip starts on an inter-island flight on HA with an AA codeshare flight number the baggage allowance is based on the passenger's AA status/fare. See also:Originally Posted by FlyerBeek
Correct. Even if you're rebooked on a AA codeshare (HA operated) interisland flight, you would still need to pay the bag fee with HA.-FlyerBeek
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-1...section-399.87
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https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-1...section-399.87
This is not a recent change. It's been a longstanding point of contention despite the CFR you quote. HA only knows to charge you the bag fee because that's what their system says to do, despite being on a codeshare that should include a baggage allowance. They seem set on sticking with the first sentence of the CFR ("must apply the baggage allowances and fees that apply at the beginning of a passenger's itinerary throughout his or her entire itinerary") without regard for the next sentence. There have been several threads on FT over the years regarding this exact issue. AA will likely tell you baggage fees are included on the codeshare segments but that's not the actual practice used when you attempt to check-in. YMMV.Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
Is this a recent change? I know Hawaiian used to charge bag fees regardless of AA status or fare. However, based on my experience of a few years ago, when the trip starts on an inter-island flight on HA with an AA codeshare flight number the baggage allowance is based on the passenger's AA status/fare. See also:https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-1...section-399.87
-FlyerBeek