Jan 6, 2019, 2:14 pm
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ARCHIVE: 2017 HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver Award Availability - Help, Assistance & Discussion
The current thread can be read here.
The current thread can be read here.
Some of you might have found your thread merged into this "consolidated" thread. If your desire is to become thoroughly familiar with the knowledge that has been accumulated about the process for acquiring MileSAAver awards feel free to read this entire thread. If you only want the assistance from those who have the knowledge your request has been merged at the end. Feel free to wait for a forthcoming answer.
If you have reached this thread by using the search process you have the same choices as above. Read the thread and become knowledgeable or post at the end and wait for a forthcoming answer.
thanks
~magic111
If you have reached this thread by using the search process you have the same choices as above. Read the thread and become knowledgeable or post at the end and wait for a forthcoming answer.
thanks
~magic111
NOTE: for more detailed fare rules, see AA oneworld & Other Airline Partner Award information, rules (master thd)
Awards can generally be held for five days; five day extensions require continued availability of your flights and generating a new award booking and five day hold.
Though AA can start releasing awards 331 days from the desired flight date (even though some other airlines might make award seats available to their members 355 days out), it’s very likely award seats may be released a few days after that. If seats aren’t sold and Revenue Management algorithms signify slow sales, more seats might be released going forward.
Airlines that can be booked for award travel on aa.com
oneworld alliance airline partners other airline partners
oneworld alliance airline partners
- AA - American Airlines
- BA - British Airways (awards incur significant YQ surcharge)
- AY - Finnair
- IB - Iberia
- QF - Qantas
- QR - Qatar Airways
- RJ - Royal Jordanian Airlines
- S7 - S7 Airlines
- UL - Sri Lankan Airlines
- 9K - Cape Air (but only certain cities)
- TN - Air Tahiti Nui
- AS - Alaska Airlines
- EY - Etihad
- HA - Hawaiian Airlines
All others must be requested by telephone; see Note below.
NOTE: To search for partner awards, go to advanced search from the awards search or home page and select all airlines.
Full list of oneworld airline partners (and their affiliates)
- AA - American Airlines
- BA - British Airways (Cityflyer, Comair, OpenSkies, Sun-Air of Scandinavia)
- CX - Cathay Pacific (Dragonair)
- AY -Finnair (Flybe)
- IB - Iberia (Air Nostrum, Iberia Express)
- JL - Japan Airlines (JAL Express, J-Air, Japan Transocean Air)
- LA- LAN Airlines (LAN Argentina, LAN Ecuador, LAN Express, LAN Colombia, LAN Peru only, merging with JJ to LATAM)
- MH - Malaysia Airlines
- QF - Qantas Airways (QantasLink, Jetconnect)
- QR - Qatar Airways
- RJ - Royal Jordanian Airlines
- S7 - S7 Airlines (Globus) (excludes Siberia / far eastern Russia awards)
- UL - SriLankan Airlines
- JJ - TAM Airlines (merging with LA to LATAM)
When you do call, you might want to search for award space on the flights you want and tell the agent about those flights; sometimes AA agents won't find award seats unless they search by segment.
When using other airline web sites or tools to search for award availability, it’s best to do so by segment rather than by trip. E. g. BA May show availability SAN-LHR and LHR-AMS, but not SAN-AMS. And in some instances (EY, FJ, etc.) AA US may not see availability that AA Australia or New Zealand might see.
Full list of additional airline partners offering award redemptions
- TN - Air Tahiti Nui
- AS - Alaska Airlines/Horizon Air
- 9K - Cape Air
- EY - Etihad Airways
- FJ - Fiji Airways
- GF - Gulf Air
- HA - Hawaiian Airlines
NOTE: Ticketing charge
Effective February 16, 2015, a Reservations Ticketing Service Charge of $30.00 for domestic itineraries and $40.00 for international itineraries will be applied by AA Reservations when ticketing award reservations that can be booked on aa.com. The charge is waived for award reservations that cannot be booked on aa.com including reduced mileage awards, and for Executive Platinums. N.B. Executive Platinums booking award for non-EP will pay the service charges.
Code:
oneworld Partners Award Fare Codes First-Business-Economy -------------------------------------------------------- AA - American Airlines Z U T -------------------------------------------------------- AY – Finnair U X -------------------------------------------------------- BA – British Airways Z U X -------------------------------------------------------- CX – Cathay Pacific Z U T KA - DragonAir -------------------------------------------------------- IB – Iberia U X -------------------------------------------------------- JL – Japan Airlines (Intl) Z U T JL – Japan Airlines (Dom) Z D S -------------------------------------------------------- LATAM Group JJ - TAM Airlines O I X LA – LAN Chile Z U T XL - LAN Ecuador LP - LAN Peru 4M - LAN Argentina -------------------------------------------------------- MH - Malaysia Airlines P U X -------------------------------------------------------- QF - QANTAS Airways P U X -------------------------------------------------------- QR - Qatar Airways Z U X -------------------------------------------------------- RJ – Royal Jordanian U X -------------------------------------------------------- S7 – S7 Airlines U E -------------------------------------------------------- UL - SriLankan Airlines -------------------------------------------------------- Other Partners First Business Economy -------------------------------------------------------- FJ – Fiji Airways U X -------------------------------------------------------- TN – Air Tahiti Nui F for Business U for Economy -------------------------------------------------------- AS – Alaska Airlines A W -------------------------------------------------------- LY – El Al Israel P X E -------------------------------------------------------- EY - Etihad O I N -------------------------------------------------------- HA – Hawaiian Airlines D T --------------------------------------------------------
Other rules that may affect your awards:
Award Rules
American Airlines Awards are valid for travel on flights that are marketed and operated by AA (no codeshares). These awards can be booked online at AA.com.
oneworld and Other Airline awards are valid for travel on AA and any of its partner airlines, and can include travel on multiple partners. Many of these awards must be booked over the phone, and will not incur a Ticketing Service Charge (waived for EXPs in any case) if they cannot be booked online.
Up to four one-way awards can be booked on a single PNR. Codeshares are not bookable as Awards.
MPM or Maximum Permitted Miles: A Fare or award may not exceed the most direct routing by more than 25% (unless the fare routing includes a ticketed point deduction (essentially a miles allowance that extends MPM). See MPM / Maximum Permitted Mileage & Ticketed Point Deductions (merged threads).
Stopovers and Connections
Stopovers are no longer allowed on AA awards. Stopovers will require multiple awards.
Connections are limited to two connections / three flight segments for domestic awards, and three connections / four flight segments for international awards as of Aug 2017. Link
Domestic Connections must be under 4 hours for domestic flights, with some exceptions: "LIFO" (Last In - First Out connections are generally allowed.
Hawaii itinerary: Effective on 14 Jul 2014 on an all-AA-metal award itinerary, you now have up to 18 hours to connect when traveling to/from Hawaii. NOTE: Hawaii interisland connections must be separate awards and can not be included as part of a mainland-island award.
International Connections must generally not exceed 23:59 hours. Some leeway has occasionally been granted when connecting flights are not daily. If the itinerary includes an international flight, the rules for international connections apply. Link to these courtesy of JonNYC.
If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the 4h / 23h59m windows and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the 4h / 23h59m window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight. It may be difficult getting some agents to book this.
"Most Significant Carrier" rule: To price as a single award, AAdvantage requires the most significant carrier to publish a cash fare (non-constructed) between the origin and destination. Airline MSC (e.g. DFW-SFO-HKG-BKK, CX SFO-HKG is the prevailing or most significant carrier) would have to have a published fare from XXX to YYY that allows travel on all included airlines, and routing that you want. If the MSC only offers constructed fares between your desired origin and destination, AA will price this as two awards.
Constructed fares: Another rule disallows awards where the fare must be constructed (also referred to as "YY"): Using a partner, the trip will require two awards if the governing carrier (e,g. airline operating on the major route, such as transpacific carrier) doesn't publish a through fare that includes the award's proposed origin and destination that allows the carriers proposed.
See this thread about examples using TN.
Married Segment Logic - a prospective trip may be available when searching segment by segment, yet not be bookable through from origin to destination. When selling seats for through flights and the desired inventory is not available, you cannot opt to sell the flight point-to-point. If sold point-to-point, the error response MULTIPLE SEGMENTS FOR SAME FLIGHT - SELL AS ONE SEGMENT will be received, indicating this booking is not allowed. Overriding the error check by ending the PNR twice is not acceptable.
See Award with available segments not bookable? (Married Segment issues)
Award Rules
American Airlines Awards are valid for travel on flights that are marketed and operated by AA (no codeshares). These awards can be booked online at AA.com.
oneworld and Other Airline awards are valid for travel on AA and any of its partner airlines, and can include travel on multiple partners. Many of these awards must be booked over the phone, and will not incur a Ticketing Service Charge (waived for EXPs in any case) if they cannot be booked online.
Up to four one-way awards can be booked on a single PNR. Codeshares are not bookable as Awards.
MPM or Maximum Permitted Miles: A Fare or award may not exceed the most direct routing by more than 25% (unless the fare routing includes a ticketed point deduction (essentially a miles allowance that extends MPM). See MPM / Maximum Permitted Mileage & Ticketed Point Deductions (merged threads).
Stopovers and Connections
Stopovers are no longer allowed on AA awards. Stopovers will require multiple awards.
Connections are limited to two connections / three flight segments for domestic awards, and three connections / four flight segments for international awards as of Aug 2017. Link
Domestic Connections must be under 4 hours for domestic flights, with some exceptions: "LIFO" (Last In - First Out connections are generally allowed.
Hawaii itinerary: Effective on 14 Jul 2014 on an all-AA-metal award itinerary, you now have up to 18 hours to connect when traveling to/from Hawaii. NOTE: Hawaii interisland connections must be separate awards and can not be included as part of a mainland-island award.
International Connections must generally not exceed 23:59 hours. Some leeway has occasionally been granted when connecting flights are not daily. If the itinerary includes an international flight, the rules for international connections apply. Link to these courtesy of JonNYC.
If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the 4h / 23h59m windows and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the 4h / 23h59m window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight. It may be difficult getting some agents to book this.
"Most Significant Carrier" rule: To price as a single award, AAdvantage requires the most significant carrier to publish a cash fare (non-constructed) between the origin and destination. Airline MSC (e.g. DFW-SFO-HKG-BKK, CX SFO-HKG is the prevailing or most significant carrier) would have to have a published fare from XXX to YYY that allows travel on all included airlines, and routing that you want. If the MSC only offers constructed fares between your desired origin and destination, AA will price this as two awards.
Constructed fares: Another rule disallows awards where the fare must be constructed (also referred to as "YY"): Using a partner, the trip will require two awards if the governing carrier (e,g. airline operating on the major route, such as transpacific carrier) doesn't publish a through fare that includes the award's proposed origin and destination that allows the carriers proposed.
See this thread about examples using TN.
Married Segment Logic - a prospective trip may be available when searching segment by segment, yet not be bookable through from origin to destination. When selling seats for through flights and the desired inventory is not available, you cannot opt to sell the flight point-to-point. If sold point-to-point, the error response MULTIPLE SEGMENTS FOR SAME FLIGHT - SELL AS ONE SEGMENT will be received, indicating this booking is not allowed. Overriding the error check by ending the PNR twice is not acceptable.
See Award with available segments not bookable? (Married Segment issues)
Resources
Some airlines or areas have different, extra or special characteristics for securing awards. See
aa.com Basic (front page) vs Advanced Award Search Results (abbreviated results for front page search vs. Advanced award search)
AAdvantage awards to / from Australia, New Zealand link
AAdvantage awards to the Galápagos Islands, Ecuador link
AAdvantage awards on Air Tahiti Nui link
AAdvantage awards using British Airways incurring (avoiding) high fees link
AAdvantage award on Cathay Pacific (and Cathay Dragon) link
AAdvantage awards using Etihad Airways link
AAdvantage awards using Fiji Airways link
AAdvantage awards using Japan Airlines link
AAdvantage awards using Qantas Airways link
AAdvantage awards on S7 (Siberian) Airlines link
aa.com Basic (front page) vs Advanced Award Search Results (abbreviated results for front page search vs. Advanced award search)
AAdvantage awards to / from Australia, New Zealand link
AAdvantage awards to the Galápagos Islands, Ecuador link
AAdvantage awards on Air Tahiti Nui link
AAdvantage awards using British Airways incurring (avoiding) high fees link
AAdvantage award on Cathay Pacific (and Cathay Dragon) link
AAdvantage awards using Etihad Airways link
AAdvantage awards using Fiji Airways link
AAdvantage awards using Japan Airlines link
AAdvantage awards using Qantas Airways link
AAdvantage awards on S7 (Siberian) Airlines link
Awards assistance tools: Use at your own risk; may not be up to date. These are not recommendations.
- Check this oneworld interactive map and timetable by Innosked to see potential routes.
- British Airways Executive Club: You can sign up for British Airways Executive Club, Japan Airlines JAL Mileage Bank or Qantas Frequent Flyer to use their sites to find awards (look for the lowest level awards) you can't see on aa.com. BA in particular is prone to show "phantom" availability.
- Award booking services - list and reviews (FT thread)
- Award Nexus: It's easy to do your experiments for some free browsing (click "more signup options" under the green Purchase button to sign up with your FlyerTalk login info). You might want to run each segment rather than origin to destination.
...Award Nexus is free (up to a point) for FlyerTalk users. Click "more signup options" under the green Purchase button to sign up for free as a FlyerTalk member.
What I like about Award Nexus is it has a much nicer user interface than BA and lets you choose whether to search through BA and/or QF, and as you can see each of those may give somewhat different results.
The "cost" to do all these searches once was a total of 12 points, and you get 200 points free when you signup, and then every 90 days you can reload 100 more points for free (once you're below 10 points). So that gives an idea of how many searches could do free...
- AwardAce: Compare Award Redemptions Across Airlines In Seconds
- AwardHacker: "a tool we build to tell you how to travel with the least miles"
- Award Nexus: which can search availability but can't determine cost, with FT member free limited use
- Economical Excursionist's Tools: compare Frequent Flyer Mile Redemptions
- ExpertFlyer is a common tool used on FT. There is a $99.99 annual fee, monthly fee and five day trial
- Great Circle Mapper is useful for calculating distance and MPM (Maximum Permitted Mileage)
- You can try PEX+ (currently in beta), which will even tell you how many miles you'll need, though it draws data from aa.com and S7 so it can't reveal awards that can not be seen on those sites.
- Travel Codex Award Maximiser commercial blog
Also see:
aa.com Basic (front page) vs Advanced Award Search Results
Phantom / false AA award availability with AA partners (consolidated)
oneworld and Other Airline (Partner) Awards info, rules 2014 on
Help with British Airways / BA surcharge / YQ (AA award on BA, consolidated) (Awards using BA incur significant "YQ" surcharges.)
UK APD / Air Passenger Duty charged for UK departures[/quote] (Flights originating in the UK other than INV or BFS - or connections 24:00 or over - incur UK Air Passenger Duty excise taxes.)
MileSAAver / SAAver award reduction / scarcity >= Aug 2011 onward (consolidated)
Older posts from 2017 have been archived to: this archive thread
Older posts from 2016 have been archived to: this archive thread
Older posts through 2015 have been archived to: this archive thread
ARCHIVE: 2017 HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver award questions, assistance
Aug 22, 2017, 7:32 pm
#796
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Omaha
Programs: AA Life Plat 4mm, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,461
If you found what you want outbound and you don't secure it now, what are the chances something equal to that, or even close to that, will become available later? (In my opinion, not so likely).
For the return, I'd keep looking and jump on anything that is as good as a return on or close to that date. Much better to lose 10k miles than pay $1,600 using BA, which is likely to remain available for some time. Even a combined BA award, say BRU - LHR on BA and onward on AA, will cost less. IMO you just have to be fairly tenacious to fund the return - or subscribe to ExpertFlyer to notify you of return award availability.
For the return, I'd keep looking and jump on anything that is as good as a return on or close to that date. Much better to lose 10k miles than pay $1,600 using BA, which is likely to remain available for some time. Even a combined BA award, say BRU - LHR on BA and onward on AA, will cost less. IMO you just have to be fairly tenacious to fund the return - or subscribe to ExpertFlyer to notify you of return award availability.
Aug 22, 2017, 7:32 pm
#797
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Omaha
Programs: AA Life Plat 4mm, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,461
If you found what you want outbound and you don't secure it now, what are the chances something equal to that, or even close to that, will become available later? (In my opinion, not so likely).
For the return, I'd keep looking and jump on anything that is as good as a return on or close to that date. Much better to lose 10k miles than pay $1,600 using BA, which is likely to remain available for some time. Even a combined BA award, say BRU - LHR on BA and onward on AA, will cost less. IMO you just have to be fairly tenacious to fund the return - or subscribe to ExpertFlyer to notify you of return award availability.
For the return, I'd keep looking and jump on anything that is as good as a return on or close to that date. Much better to lose 10k miles than pay $1,600 using BA, which is likely to remain available for some time. Even a combined BA award, say BRU - LHR on BA and onward on AA, will cost less. IMO you just have to be fairly tenacious to fund the return - or subscribe to ExpertFlyer to notify you of return award availability.
Aug 22, 2017, 10:04 pm
#798
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4
Welcome to FT!
I suspect your odds of saver inventory opening up is slim at this point with a bit more than a month and a half to go. There may be something going on that weekend; but more likely it's that whatever low priced award inventory was available is gone, and what's left is priced higher (ever since we've begun the wonderful move to dynamic award pricing).
Don't conclude anything from the seat map; what's more telling is the inventory. For instance, on your outbound, both nonstop flights are showing T0, which means there is no saver award on those days.
Sorry to be a downer, but I think it's unlikely you'll find inventory opening up.
I suspect your odds of saver inventory opening up is slim at this point with a bit more than a month and a half to go. There may be something going on that weekend; but more likely it's that whatever low priced award inventory was available is gone, and what's left is priced higher (ever since we've begun the wonderful move to dynamic award pricing).
Don't conclude anything from the seat map; what's more telling is the inventory. For instance, on your outbound, both nonstop flights are showing T0, which means there is no saver award on those days.
Sorry to be a downer, but I think it's unlikely you'll find inventory opening up.
Thanks so much for your quick and helpful response!
Aug 22, 2017, 10:04 pm
#799
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4
Welcome to FT!
I suspect your odds of saver inventory opening up is slim at this point with a bit more than a month and a half to go. There may be something going on that weekend; but more likely it's that whatever low priced award inventory was available is gone, and what's left is priced higher (ever since we've begun the wonderful move to dynamic award pricing).
Don't conclude anything from the seat map; what's more telling is the inventory. For instance, on your outbound, both nonstop flights are showing T0, which means there is no saver award on those days.
Sorry to be a downer, but I think it's unlikely you'll find inventory opening up.
I suspect your odds of saver inventory opening up is slim at this point with a bit more than a month and a half to go. There may be something going on that weekend; but more likely it's that whatever low priced award inventory was available is gone, and what's left is priced higher (ever since we've begun the wonderful move to dynamic award pricing).
Don't conclude anything from the seat map; what's more telling is the inventory. For instance, on your outbound, both nonstop flights are showing T0, which means there is no saver award on those days.
Sorry to be a downer, but I think it's unlikely you'll find inventory opening up.
Thanks so much for your quick and helpful response!
Aug 22, 2017, 10:47 pm
#800
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 79
Hi all -
Newbie-esq question(s) here on a trip I'm hoping to take next summer. Probably/hopefully simple, and I suspect I'm just missing a few things. Apologies: I've done a fair amount of searching on parts of this, but am left with enough Qs that I've decided to upgrade from Google to the Forums
Anyways...
Intended Route: FCO->HEL->JFK->Washington DC.
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
Any help/reassurance that this is do-able would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Newbie-esq question(s) here on a trip I'm hoping to take next summer. Probably/hopefully simple, and I suspect I'm just missing a few things. Apologies: I've done a fair amount of searching on parts of this, but am left with enough Qs that I've decided to upgrade from Google to the Forums
Anyways...
Intended Route: FCO->HEL->JFK->Washington DC.
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
Any help/reassurance that this is do-able would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Aug 22, 2017, 10:47 pm
#801
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 79
Hi all -
Newbie-esq question(s) here on a trip I'm hoping to take next summer. Probably/hopefully simple, and I suspect I'm just missing a few things. Apologies: I've done a fair amount of searching on parts of this, but am left with enough Qs that I've decided to upgrade from Google to the Forums
Anyways...
Intended Route: FCO->HEL->JFK->Washington DC.
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
Any help/reassurance that this is do-able would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Newbie-esq question(s) here on a trip I'm hoping to take next summer. Probably/hopefully simple, and I suspect I'm just missing a few things. Apologies: I've done a fair amount of searching on parts of this, but am left with enough Qs that I've decided to upgrade from Google to the Forums
Anyways...
Intended Route: FCO->HEL->JFK->Washington DC.
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
Any help/reassurance that this is do-able would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Aug 22, 2017, 11:07 pm
#802
Join Date: Jul 2001
Programs: AA EP
Posts: 2,203
Call AA and ask. I think it is breaking something into 2 awards.
Also what is meant by this: -HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.? What are u booked on??
lastky, could it possibly be breaking this into multiple awards as you might be exceeding mom or no valid fare exexists with this routing.
You need to call AA.
Also what is meant by this: -HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.? What are u booked on??
lastky, could it possibly be breaking this into multiple awards as you might be exceeding mom or no valid fare exexists with this routing.
You need to call AA.
Hi all -
Newbie-esq question(s) here on a trip I'm hoping to take next summer. Probably/hopefully simple, and I suspect I'm just missing a few things. Apologies: I've done a fair amount of searching on parts of this, but am left with enough Qs that I've decided to upgrade from Google to the Forums
Anyways...
Intended Route: FCO->HEL->JFK->Washington DC.
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
Any help/reassurance that this is do-able would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Newbie-esq question(s) here on a trip I'm hoping to take next summer. Probably/hopefully simple, and I suspect I'm just missing a few things. Apologies: I've done a fair amount of searching on parts of this, but am left with enough Qs that I've decided to upgrade from Google to the Forums
Anyways...
Intended Route: FCO->HEL->JFK->Washington DC.
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
Any help/reassurance that this is do-able would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Aug 22, 2017, 11:07 pm
#803
Join Date: Jul 2001
Programs: AA EP
Posts: 2,203
Call AA and ask. I think it is breaking something into 2 awards.
Also what is meant by this: -HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.? What are u booked on??
lastky, could it possibly be breaking this into multiple awards as you might be exceeding mom or no valid fare exexists with this routing.
You need to call AA.
Also what is meant by this: -HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.? What are u booked on??
lastky, could it possibly be breaking this into multiple awards as you might be exceeding mom or no valid fare exexists with this routing.
You need to call AA.
Hi all -
Newbie-esq question(s) here on a trip I'm hoping to take next summer. Probably/hopefully simple, and I suspect I'm just missing a few things. Apologies: I've done a fair amount of searching on parts of this, but am left with enough Qs that I've decided to upgrade from Google to the Forums
Anyways...
Intended Route: FCO->HEL->JFK->Washington DC.
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
Any help/reassurance that this is do-able would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Newbie-esq question(s) here on a trip I'm hoping to take next summer. Probably/hopefully simple, and I suspect I'm just missing a few things. Apologies: I've done a fair amount of searching on parts of this, but am left with enough Qs that I've decided to upgrade from Google to the Forums
Anyways...
Intended Route: FCO->HEL->JFK->Washington DC.
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
Any help/reassurance that this is do-able would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Aug 22, 2017, 11:09 pm
#804
Join Date: Jul 2001
Programs: AA EP
Posts: 2,203
Call AA and ask. I think it is breaking something into 2 awards.
Also what is meant by this: -HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.? What are u booked on??
lastky, could it possibly be breaking this into multiple awards as you might be exceeding mpm or no valid fare exexists with this routing.
Edit: could it be that JFK WAS is booked as an AAnyyime award vs a saver?
You need to call AA.
Also what is meant by this: -HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.? What are u booked on??
lastky, could it possibly be breaking this into multiple awards as you might be exceeding mpm or no valid fare exexists with this routing.
Edit: could it be that JFK WAS is booked as an AAnyyime award vs a saver?
You need to call AA.
Aug 22, 2017, 11:09 pm
#805
Join Date: Jul 2001
Programs: AA EP
Posts: 2,203
Call AA and ask. I think it is breaking something into 2 awards.
Also what is meant by this: -HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.? What are u booked on??
lastky, could it possibly be breaking this into multiple awards as you might be exceeding mpm or no valid fare exexists with this routing.
Edit: could it be that JFK WAS is booked as an AAnyyime award vs a saver?
You need to call AA.
Also what is meant by this: -HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.? What are u booked on??
lastky, could it possibly be breaking this into multiple awards as you might be exceeding mpm or no valid fare exexists with this routing.
Edit: could it be that JFK WAS is booked as an AAnyyime award vs a saver?
You need to call AA.
Aug 23, 2017, 4:05 am
#806
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: RDU <|> MMX
Programs: AA EXP 2MM, SK EBS
Posts: 12,483
Intended Route: FCO->HEL->JFK->Washington DC.
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
If you're using the multi-city booking at aa.com, it will automatically price each sector separately, which is why it came back with 100k miles required. You need to put that routing on hold at aa.com, then call AA to have it correctly priced as a single award.
And for JFK-DCA, you still have 24 hrs to connect in JFK, not 4 hrs. On an int'l itinerary you have up to 24 hrs to connect at every point, not just the foreign connections.
Aug 23, 2017, 4:05 am
#807
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: RDU <|> MMX
Programs: AA EXP 2MM, SK EBS
Posts: 12,483
Intended Route: FCO->HEL->JFK->Washington DC.
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
-FCO to HEL is Finnair, and the layover before flying to JFK is about 22hrs. I believe that's ok (<24hrs), don't think there's an earlier departure but is it ok if I choose the later one regardless?
-HEL to JFK is codeshare Finnair, AA, BA and IB.
-JFK to DC area: Similar to above, but slight twist - what happens if award tickets don't end up being available until a flight that's >4hrs after landing?
Aside from the the connection times, I think I'm good on maximum miles, not crossing regions, etc. I'm a bit confused as to how many miles this should cost? I'd imagine 30k/57.5/85 for Europe to U.S. (mixed award would just kick the total to the highest class, right?); tried to book this on a random date that showed saver awards available but it priced them individually and came out over 100K miles - did I just fail in my booking process? Can this award be done online or would I need to call in?
If you're using the multi-city booking at aa.com, it will automatically price each sector separately, which is why it came back with 100k miles required. You need to put that routing on hold at aa.com, then call AA to have it correctly priced as a single award.
And for JFK-DCA, you still have 24 hrs to connect in JFK, not 4 hrs. On an int'l itinerary you have up to 24 hrs to connect at every point, not just the foreign connections.
Aug 23, 2017, 5:57 am
#808
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 79
You are correct in that your itinerary should be 30k for Y and 57.5k for J. There's no 3-class F offered (85k) for your desired routing.
If you're using the multi-city booking at aa.com, it will automatically price each sector separately, which is why it came back with 100k miles required. You need to put that routing on hold at aa.com, then call AA to have it correctly priced as a single award.
And for JFK-DCA, you still have 24 hrs to connect in JFK, not 4 hrs. On an int'l itinerary you have up to 24 hrs to connect at every point, not just the foreign connections.
If you're using the multi-city booking at aa.com, it will automatically price each sector separately, which is why it came back with 100k miles required. You need to put that routing on hold at aa.com, then call AA to have it correctly priced as a single award.
And for JFK-DCA, you still have 24 hrs to connect in JFK, not 4 hrs. On an int'l itinerary you have up to 24 hrs to connect at every point, not just the foreign connections.
I was using the multi-city tool, so yep, there's my newbie answer
Glad to also hear that I'll get > 4hrs for the last leg.
Aug 23, 2017, 5:57 am
#809
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 79
You are correct in that your itinerary should be 30k for Y and 57.5k for J. There's no 3-class F offered (85k) for your desired routing.
If you're using the multi-city booking at aa.com, it will automatically price each sector separately, which is why it came back with 100k miles required. You need to put that routing on hold at aa.com, then call AA to have it correctly priced as a single award.
And for JFK-DCA, you still have 24 hrs to connect in JFK, not 4 hrs. On an int'l itinerary you have up to 24 hrs to connect at every point, not just the foreign connections.
If you're using the multi-city booking at aa.com, it will automatically price each sector separately, which is why it came back with 100k miles required. You need to put that routing on hold at aa.com, then call AA to have it correctly priced as a single award.
And for JFK-DCA, you still have 24 hrs to connect in JFK, not 4 hrs. On an int'l itinerary you have up to 24 hrs to connect at every point, not just the foreign connections.
I was using the multi-city tool, so yep, there's my newbie answer
Glad to also hear that I'll get > 4hrs for the last leg.
Aug 23, 2017, 12:03 pm
#810
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: ELP
Programs: AA EXP/LT PLAT, Marriott Titanium/LT PLAT
Posts: 4,120
Help booking award tickets to Peru
Looking for some advice on how to book award tickets to Peru. Looking to travel Summer 2018. Am I too early? Cant find any award availability this far out.
Leaving from ELP, but can connect in LAX, DFW and even MIA if I have to.
Need two seats only. Any advice?
Leaving from ELP, but can connect in LAX, DFW and even MIA if I have to.
Need two seats only. Any advice?