AA oneworld & Other Airline Partner Award information, rules (master thd)
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oneworld and other airline Awards Rules, Information 2015 on NOTE: Check AA award charts for current awards costs.List of airlines you can use in redeeming awards: oneworld airlines (and their oneworld affiliates) are:
Non-oneworld airlines one can redeem (MileSAAver) awards on are:
="3"%Airlines that can be booked for award travel on aa.com: oneworld alliance partners
All other airlines have to be requested by telephone; calling to book awards that cannot be booked online no longer incurs telephone service fees. ="3"%Routing assistance, etc. Check this oneworld interactive map and timetable by Innosked to see potential routes, and you can sign up for British Airways Executive Club or Qantas Frequent Flyer to use their sites to find awards (look for the lowest level awards) you can't see on aa.com. Also see this link to AA.com listing oneworld airlines with information about each.
Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Routings allowed)
 Booking for, or changing an award to, travel sooner than 21 days out requires an early booking fee (waived for Executive Platinum members). One can not book farther out, change to closer in and evade this fee any longer (as of 16 Feb 2012) Booking Business or First awards with JL / Japan Airlines one will only be able to fly in Economy domestically in Japan, but upgrades are quite inexpensive at ₯1,000 or so per flight. See more below in "General Rules" Latest changes:
AA Region Definitions* Region definitions changed again May 6, 2016. Link ="3"%Links and resources:
_________________________________________________ updated 11MAY15 by hillrider. Modified and updated from JonNYC's original post in the archived thread (please feel free to update): Introduction There are two types of awards discussed below, AA Awards and oneworld and Other Airlines Awards, which are targeted to passengers traveling to a single destination. As of 1 October 2010 awards may be redeemed for travel on all British Airways flights, including previously excluded flights between the U.S. and U.K. Note that additional British Airways high YQ surcharges, as well as Iberia's lower YQ surcharges, apply based on class-of-service and market flown: see Earning and redeeming AA miles / upgrading on BA/IB; BA fuel surcharge (Oct 1, 2010) Award Rules
General Rules, Routing and Connections Passenger has 4h on domestic / 23h59m international travel to connect. If there are no scheduled flights within this timeframe, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but, may not exceed 24 hours. If the connection exceeds 24 hours, it will be considered a stopover may require two awards). If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the 4h / 23h59m windows and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the 4h / 23h59m window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight. Effective on 14 Jul 2014 on an all-AA-metal award itinerary, you now have up to 18 hours to connect when traveling to/from Hawaii [[URL="http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25730421-post993.html"]Ref] The particular carrier's Maximum Permitted Miles / MPM + 25% on a particular route. (The MPM by itself often exceeds the distance between the origin and destination airports because connections may be required.) Or, the "most significant carrier" (e.g. DFW-SFO-HKG-BKK, CX SFO-HKG is the prevailing or most significant carrier) must publish a non-constructed fare between your origin and destination. To price as a single award, AAdvantage requires the most significant carrier to publish a cash fare (non-constructed) between the origin and destination. Airline MSC would have to have a published fare from XXX to YYY that allows travel on all included airlines, and routing that you want. If the MSC only offers constructed fares between your desired origin and destination, AA will price this as two awards. Stopovers None allowed. Partner award inventories Award booking inventory classes for each carrier in the AAdvantage Award program are listed below and may be useful when on the phone with an AA rep or when checking availability. See also the Award Booking Codes page in the FlyerGuide wiki for updated information. Code:
oneworld Partners First Business Economy -------------------------------------------------------- AA - American Airlines Z U T -------------------------------------------------------- AY Finnair U X -------------------------------------------------------- BA British Airways Z U X -------------------------------------------------------- CX Cathay Pacific Z U T KA - DragonAir -------------------------------------------------------- IB Iberia U X -------------------------------------------------------- JL Japan Airlines (Intl) Z U T JL Japan Airlines (Dom) Z D S -------------------------------------------------------- LA LATAM / LAN Chile Z U T (ending in 2020) XL - LAN Ecuador LP - LAN Peru 4M - LAN Argentina -------------------------------------------------------- MH - Malaysia Airlines P U X -------------------------------------------------------- QF - QANTAS Airways P U X -------------------------------------------------------- QR - Qatar Airways Z U X -------------------------------------------------------- RJ Royal Jordanian U X -------------------------------------------------------- S7 S7 Airlines U E -------------------------------------------------------- UL - SriLankan Airlines -------------------------------------------------------- Other Partners First Business Economy -------------------------------------------------------- FJ Fiji Airways U X -------------------------------------------------------- TN Air Tahiti Nui F for Business U for Economy -------------------------------------------------------- LY El Al Israel P X E -------------------------------------------------------- EY - Etihad O I N -------------------------------------------------------- HA Hawaiian Airlines D T -------------------------------------------------------- General Routing Rules Routing General Rules Passenger has 4h / 23h59m to connect (depending on domestic or international travel). If there are no scheduled flights within this timeframe, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but, may not exceed 24 hours. If the connection exceeds 24 hours, it will be considered a stopover. If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the 4h / 23h59m window and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the 4h / 23h59m window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight. It is not necessary to check every flight/carrier to ensure passenger is booked on next scheduled flight. Must meet Married Segment Logic - a prospective trip may be available when searching segment by segment, yet not be bookable through from origin to destination. When selling seats for through flights and the desired inventory is not available, you cannot opt to sell the flight point-to-point. If sold point-to-point, the error response MULTIPLE SEGMENTS FOR SAME FLIGHT - SELL AS ONE SEGMENT will be received, indicating this booking is not allowed. Overriding the error check by ending the PNR twice is not acceptable. If the partner airline doesnt sell an unconstructed ticket for the desired routing, it wont offer an award using that routing. Within North America
North America To/from Other Regions
Travel Wholly Within or Between All Other Regions These awards do not allow a connection via North America and therefore, do not include travel on American Airlines.
Travel Via a Third Region Travel via a third region is not allowed (note the exception table below). EXCEPTION TABLE: To/From Via
Regions:
Travel on LAN direct flights between North America and South America Region 2 are allowed. Currently, only one market, Miami to/from Buenos Aries, has direct service. These can only be booked by the liaisons. Contact support for booking assistance. For permitted changes and fees, see this post Awards assistance tools: Use at your own risk; may not be up to date. These are not recommendations.
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Feb 1, 19, 8:25 pm
#1
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I'm looking for PPT-NRT-HKG in J... can't transit from Asia 1 to Asia 2 right?
Just double checking as AA call center wait time is through the roof right now... thanks!
Just double checking as AA call center wait time is through the roof right now... thanks!
Feb 2, 19, 7:44 am
#2
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Originally Posted by jazzmailman
I'm looking for PPT-NRT-HKG in J... can't transit from Asia 1 to Asia 2 right?
Just double checking as AA call center wait time is through the roof right now... thanks!
Just double checking as AA call center wait time is through the roof right now... thanks!
Feb 3, 19, 11:06 pm
#3
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AA Award Routing Rules on Partner Award
Hi Everyone, please pardon if this question has been asked. I would like to book an award ticket from TYO or HKG back to the US and I live on the west coast but I'm only seeing availability on CX/JL to ORD or JFK or BOS. Is there any scenario where AA would allow me to book an award to LAX/SFO via ORD/JFK if there are no other options to get me to LAX/SFO directly from my international gateway in Asia? Thanks
Feb 4, 19, 12:44 am
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuy10
Hi Everyone, please pardon if this question has been asked. I would like to book an award ticket from TYO or HKG back to the US and I live on the west coast but I'm only seeing availability on CX/JL to ORD or JFK or BOS. Is there any scenario where AA would allow me to book an award to LAX/SFO via ORD/JFK if there are no other options to get me to LAX/SFO directly from my international gateway in Asia? Thanks
Feb 4, 19, 8:03 pm
#5
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Originally Posted by platbrownguy
Yeah there's no problem with "backtracking" like that. You can have a maximum of 4 segments on the itinerary. If a better routing comes up later, remember that you can make the change for free.
Feb 4, 19, 8:08 pm
#6
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Originally Posted by pooprocks
I had issues with booking a flight with "backtracking" within the US. The agent was super snarky and commented on how I was flying "back halfway across the country" and said that I couldn't book it on one award. She said the final destination was ORD (from NRT) and that any west coast flights would require a new award, even if there were no available flights direct to the west coast city.
Feb 4, 19, 8:19 pm
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It isn't garbage and is in line with AA's rules on awards
For awards with partners, it tends to just use the rules of the governing carrier whilst for itself it seems that it can be more flexible
For LAX-HKG , as an example, CX's most flexible fare is MPM based and permits 8698 miles - LAX-JFK-HKG is 10,547 miles which is < 25% over the MPM , so would suspect that it would be permitted
AA does have award rules including it being a "most direct routing" which LAX-JFK-HKG is definitely not - given the non stop distance is 7260 miles
The only way to know how it will price for certain is to actually call , hold a booking and see what is quoted
For awards with partners, it tends to just use the rules of the governing carrier whilst for itself it seems that it can be more flexible
For LAX-HKG , as an example, CX's most flexible fare is MPM based and permits 8698 miles - LAX-JFK-HKG is 10,547 miles which is < 25% over the MPM , so would suspect that it would be permitted
AA does have award rules including it being a "most direct routing" which LAX-JFK-HKG is definitely not - given the non stop distance is 7260 miles
The only way to know how it will price for certain is to actually call , hold a booking and see what is quoted
Feb 4, 19, 9:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
It isn't garbage and is in line with AA's rules on awards
For awards with partners, it tends to just use the rules of the governing carrier whilst for itself it seems that it can be more flexible
For LAX-HKG , as an example, CX's most flexible fare is MPM based and permits 8698 miles - LAX-JFK-HKG is 10,547 miles which is < 25% over the MPM , so would suspect that it would be permitted
AA does have award rules including it being a "most direct routing" which LAX-JFK-HKG is definitely not - given the non stop distance is 7260 miles
The only way to know how it will price for certain is to actually call , hold a booking and see what is quoted
For awards with partners, it tends to just use the rules of the governing carrier whilst for itself it seems that it can be more flexible
For LAX-HKG , as an example, CX's most flexible fare is MPM based and permits 8698 miles - LAX-JFK-HKG is 10,547 miles which is < 25% over the MPM , so would suspect that it would be permitted
AA does have award rules including it being a "most direct routing" which LAX-JFK-HKG is definitely not - given the non stop distance is 7260 miles
The only way to know how it will price for certain is to actually call , hold a booking and see what is quoted
Feb 4, 19, 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuy10
So assuming it's within the MPM then it would be allowed?
At this stage it is speculation as to what the system will price it as
It is a routeing which I could see falling eaither side of being 2 awards or 1 award
Feb 4, 19, 10:47 pm
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HUCA didn't work and the second agent was surprised that the award got broken up into two. SEA->ORD->NRT prices as one award but NRT->ORD->SEA prices as two. She again mentioned "backtracking" as the reason the award was broken up. The supervisor wasn't able to manually price it either. Perhaps it's MPM.
Feb 5, 19, 5:17 am
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
It isn't garbage and is in line with AA's rules on awards.
Originally Posted by pooprocks
HUCA didn't work and the second agent was surprised that the award got broken up into two. SEA->ORD->NRT prices as one award but NRT->ORD->SEA prices as two. She again mentioned "backtracking" as the reason the award was broken up. The supervisor wasn't able to manually price it either. Perhaps it's MPM.
And If AA were to truly enforce any kind of "most direct routing rule" then 90% of any type of award on AA would suddenly become invalid. It's not a realistic rule at all, which is why pretty much anything goes with AA metal, and with partners it's the published fares/MPM that govern the possible routings.
For the flights in question above, was the ORD-NRT on AA metal or JL? Partners typically have much stricter routing requirements based on their published fares, so SEA-ORD-NRT would be no problem on AA metal, but if using JL metal for the longhaul segment, JL's published fares might require you to connect at LAX/SFO/YVR and thus require 2 awards.
Just a theory, but again nothing to do with "backtracking"
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Feb 5, 19, 11:19 pm
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I was surprised to be offered the following routing for SYD-TUN : routes Australia-Africa-Middle East-Africa as single award
63 Qantas Airways
Depart Sydney, Australia to Tunis, Tunisia
FlightDepartArriveTravel timeAircraftClassSeats 63 Qantas Airways10:55 AMSYD5:00 PMJNB
14h 5m744Business- — —
Stop: Johannesburg, South Africa (JNB)
1364 Qatar Airways1:50 PMJNB11:40 PMDOH
8h 50m77WBusiness- — —
Stop: Doha, Qatar (DOH)
1399 Qatar Airways7:40 AMDOH12:15 PMTUN
6h 35m333Business- — —
Cost summary
Your total
80,000 miles + $119.70
Feb 9, 19, 12:09 pm
#14
Join Date: Mar 2015
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Hello all,
I am trying to book a trip on Cathay Pacific through AAdvantage. It would route SFO-CAN-SIN-SFO. Appears to have layovers in HKG on all trips. After calling it I was told it would be 92,500 with $130.03 for taxes and fees. I wanted to see if anyone has any insights on getting the trip for cheaper. Thanks!
I am trying to book a trip on Cathay Pacific through AAdvantage. It would route SFO-CAN-SIN-SFO. Appears to have layovers in HKG on all trips. After calling it I was told it would be 92,500 with $130.03 for taxes and fees. I wanted to see if anyone has any insights on getting the trip for cheaper. Thanks!
Feb 9, 19, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by bobmyknob
Hello all,
I am trying to book a trip on Cathay Pacific through AAdvantage. It would route SFO-CAN-SIN-SFO. Appears to have layovers in HKG on all trips. After calling it I was told it would be 92,500 with $130.03 for taxes and fees. I wanted to see if anyone has any insights on getting the trip for cheaper. Thanks!
I am trying to book a trip on Cathay Pacific through AAdvantage. It would route SFO-CAN-SIN-SFO. Appears to have layovers in HKG on all trips. After calling it I was told it would be 92,500 with $130.03 for taxes and fees. I wanted to see if anyone has any insights on getting the trip for cheaper. Thanks!
