Originally Posted by sdsearch
(Post 31676953)
Are you not aware that the FAA has to re-certify it first? :confused: They still haven't done that, and it's unclear when they will, and no US airline is willing to fly it again until at least the FAA re-certifies it.
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Originally Posted by rbAA
(Post 31676828)
When they stop falling out of the sky.
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Originally Posted by skimthetrees
(Post 31677760)
Wrong. They have stopped. There has not been a crash since when? And they did not just "fall out of the sky". A well trained pilot would have been able to prevent the crashes. In fact that happened to the Indonesian Max on the flight before it crashed (pilot disconnected the system causing trouble and allowed the plane to land safely). The real answer is when the FAA certifies it to fly passengers again. I have full confidence that when that happens the plane will be 100% safe and protected against even poorly trained pilots.
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Originally Posted by skimthetrees
(Post 31677760)
Wrong. They have stopped. There has not been a crash since when? And they did not just "fall out of the sky". A well trained pilot would have been able to prevent the crashes. In fact that happened to the Indonesian Max on the flight before it crashed (pilot disconnected the system causing trouble and allowed the plane to land safely). The real answer is when the FAA certifies it to fly passengers again. I have full confidence that when that happens the plane will be 100% safe and protected against even poorly trained pilots.
While I agree that pilot training re:hand flying could be better, it is also important to design a plane that won't crash twice in quick succession with average pilots. |
Originally Posted by nmpls
(Post 31678062)
Grounded plane hasn't crashed. Amazing success.
Originally Posted by nmpls
(Post 31678062)
While I agree that pilot training re:hand flying could be better, it is also important to design a plane that won't crash twice in quick succession with average pilots.
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Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
(Post 31677053)
The truth is no one really knows. Apparently the CEO of Southwest said that Boeing sent the programming fix to the FAA for testing and approval and best case scenario for his airline is that the FAA would approve by year end giving WN 2 months to get their Maxes fully back into service by February 2020.
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Originally Posted by skimthetrees
(Post 31678277)
Previous poster implied that they had.
I agree. I have confidence that once the FAA re-certifies the aircraft it will be safe with average pilots. I would hope that in the US we have better than average pilots but I am not placing bets on that. Different country, different regulations. |
And don't assume that just because the FAA re-certifies it that the rest of the world will accept that and allow it to fly in their airspace
FAA basically trashed it's international reputation with other regulators over the MAX and it will take a heck of a long time to get it back. |
Originally Posted by AANYC1981
(Post 31677001)
Boeing's CEO is on Capitol Hill today and tomorrow fielding questions from Congress about the Max.
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Originally Posted by UKtravelbear
(Post 31679511)
And don't assume that just because the FAA re-certifies it that the rest of the world will accept that and allow it to fly in their airspace
FAA basically trashed it's international reputation with other regulators over the MAX and it will take a heck of a long time to get it back. |
Originally Posted by AA100k
(Post 31679534)
Probably for a well-deserved, long overdue bashing from both sides.
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I don't understand why the Boeing board hasn't fired the CEO. They made a sacrificial lamb out of the CEO of commercial aviation but the head of Boeing is Mullenberg and his reaction and statements are abominable. He needs to go, YMMV
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Originally Posted by tikchik
(Post 31680029)
It was a bipartisan bashing. Never would have thought I'd see that in todays climate...
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Originally Posted by skimthetrees
(Post 31677760)
Wrong. They have stopped. There has not been a crash since when? And they did not just "fall out of the sky". A well trained pilot would have been able to prevent the crashes. In fact that happened to the Indonesian Max on the flight before it crashed (pilot disconnected the system causing trouble and allowed the plane to land safely). The real answer is when the FAA certifies it to fly passengers again. I have full confidence that when that happens the plane will be 100% safe and protected against even poorly trained pilots.
I remember the days of wind shear crashes in the Midwest and TX, and we still have these issues-wind shears of course- fewer crashes with the training of piolts on wind shear avoidance and procedures, though I do remember one aborted approach by a USAir plene at PIT, and the co-pilot who got off right in front of me saying that was the scariest flight he's ever been on. |
I'll make a bold prediction, the 737MAX will never return to service anywhere near its current form, not just for AA but for all the rest of the carriers. MAX is like a car that has an engine so powerful that if the gas pedal is pressed all the way it will fly off the ramp, sounds crazy right!!
BTW, this will require a bailout for Boeing, likely through some defense spending boost on useless stuff the Armed Forces don't need. |
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