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born sleepy Jan 23, 20 6:52 pm


Originally Posted by bchandler02 (Post 31986249)
I really have to wonder - what if the MAX doesnt make it back in the air ever? Is Boeing just out for what they have built, or could they convert them to 737-800s and at least recover some loss?

They would be scrapped. Like they all should be anyway, and the line dismantled and reconfigured for an actually-new aircraft, not some recycled 1964 design never intended to accommodate those huge engines or extended gear.

QtownDave Jan 23, 20 6:57 pm

Why scrapped? Isn’t the MAX just a 737 with bigger engines that are mounted a bit higher?

nk15 Jan 23, 20 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by DenverBrian (Post 31986596)
Maybe the MAXes could be converted to fire tankers or something. Donate them to organizations worldwide. Restart the -800 line.

Very few good options for Boeing at this point. But they made their bed...

Maybe convert them to cargo planes?

born sleepy Jan 23, 20 7:16 pm


Originally Posted by QtownDave (Post 31987466)
Why scrapped? Isn’t the MAX just a 737 with bigger engines that are mounted a bit higher?

This is the lie Boeing used to sell the MAX to existing NG operators. Heeyyy, just watch a short video on yer ipad, then you're good to go, 737NG jock! What? MCAS? Oh never mind you about that.

If one of FAA/CAA/EASA de-certifies the type, it can't fly in that jurisdiction. If any one of those authorities (and others eg China's, Australia's) say no go, might as well pack it in.

Converting them to cargo planes might be an option, assuming MCAS is disabled. Finding pilots willing to fly them might be an issue! I don't know if cargo vs pax versions have to use the same certification or not.

QtownDave Jan 23, 20 8:00 pm


Originally Posted by born sleepy (Post 31987516)
This is the lie Boeing used to sell the MAX to existing NG operators. Heeyyy, just watch a short video on yer ipad, then you're good to go, 737NG jock! What? MCAS? Oh never mind you about that.

If one of FAA/CAA/EASA de-certifies the type, it can't fly in that jurisdiction. If any one of those authorities (and others eg China's, Australia's) say no go, might as well pack it in.

Converting them to cargo planes might be an option, assuming MCAS is disabled. Finding pilots willing to fly them might be an issue! I don't know if cargo vs pax versions have to use the same certification or not.

Not really what Iím talking about at all

Hypothetically, letís say that for whatever reason the MAX canít be fixed. Converting to cargo makes zero sense but instead of scrapping why canít they change the engines to something smaller that wonít need a MCAS system? Other than mainly the engines, how different is it from the other versions?

born sleepy Jan 23, 20 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by nk15 (Post 31987514)
Maybe convert them to cargo planes?


Originally Posted by QtownDave (Post 31987637)
Not really what Iím talking about at all

Hypothetically, letís say that for whatever reason the MAX canít be fixed. Converting to cargo makes zero sense but instead of scrapping why canít they change the engines to something smaller that wonít need a MCAS system? Other than mainly the engines, how different is it from the other versions?

New wings maybe, definitely new pylons. Huge expense. Residual value of the modified frame probably not very high.

A Boeing insider would be better equipped to detail the finer differences between the frames aside from the engines. Visually all I can see is that the butt end of the fuselage is pointy vs blunted, probably not important.

nk15 Jan 23, 20 8:28 pm

So, then Boeing won't have a competitive plane for the 320/737 market, they should focus on their remaining lines, and start designing a new one for that category.

USA_flyer Jan 24, 20 6:29 am

The B737 Max will fly and take passengers again. If it was a no go - we would have heard by now.

lougord99 Jan 24, 20 7:36 am

It will certainly fly again. Whether any passengers are willing to board is another question. There will certainly be some very inexpensive fares when they start flying.

N830MH Jan 25, 20 6:18 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1ZN2DS

FAA tells U.S. airlines it could approve MAX return to service before mid-year -sources

JDiver Feb 6, 20 2:47 pm

Or not.


Engineers at Boeing have discovered a new software issue with the 737 Max plane, which has been grounded worldwide for almost a year over technical issues. The new problem, first reported by Bloomberg News, involves the trim system, which regulates whether the nose of the aircraft is pointed up or down. A light for the trim system wasnít going off when it should, according to the company.ďDuring flight testing of the 737 MAXís updated software, an indicator light associated with the stabilizer trim system illuminated in the flight deck,Ē a Boeing spokesperson told Gizmodo via email. ďWe determined that the illumination of this light was caused by differences in input data between the flight control computers (FCC). This is a result of the FCC cross compare redundancy software update issued in June 2019.Ē ó Gizmodo, 6 Feb 2020
Full article at https://gizmodo.com/boeing-finds-new...ued-1841493750

Robl Feb 6, 20 2:50 pm

Oh great, another software glitch:Boeing Co. has discovered a new software problem on the grounded 737 Max, but the company said the flaw won’t set back the goal of returning the plane to service in mid-2020.

The planemaker identified the issue during flight testing and notified the Federal Aviation Administration last month, according to an email Thursday from Boeing. The problem was that an indicator light, designed to warn of a malfunction by a system that helps raise and lower the plane’s nose, was turning on when it wasn’t supposed to, the company said.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ed-737-max-jet

Robl Feb 6, 20 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 32041071)

We both hit "post at the same time!

nk15 Feb 6, 20 4:46 pm

More accusations of Boeing, this time for the NG, but somewhat related to the MAX.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=primedhp

N830MH Feb 7, 20 10:39 pm

Good news! Boeing 737 set re-certification flight within a weeks.

https://www.ft.com/content/aea7c2e6-...3-955839e06441


Boeing’s troubled 737 Max is expected to achieve a “significant milestone” by making its certification flight in the next few weeks, the US aviation safety regulator said on Thursday.

Stephen Dickson, head of the Federal Aviation Administration, signalled that the 737 Max could soon return to the skies despite a new software issue concerning a dysfunctional warning light in the cockpit. There were “possible adjustments” to the warning light but the safety chief insisted there would not be “a significant delay” in returning the plane to service.


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