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Old Jan 3, 2018, 5:05 pm
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AA has increased award availability at the SAAver / MileSAAver level, apparently at the cost of reducing the availability of nonstop and direct routing and increasing availability requiring connections using married segment logic.

This means those originating travel at one hub may well find themselves forced to connect through another hub - whose residents will also be required to connect through another hub. This is suspected to be a way of accommodating SAAver awards without competing with those purchasing more convenient nonstop routing. See post #17 by ashill.

Gary Leff: “Cranky Flier got American to confirm last week that much of the space they’ve opened up is on connecting flights. They’re offering married segment availability — award space that’s highly restrictive...”

See American Significantly Increases Coach Award Space On Connecting Flights, By Cranky Flier on Dec 21, 2017

How to Game American’s New Connecting Flight Award Availability to Get the Ticket You Want, by Gary Leff on December 26, 2017 but see post #75 by Psyclone*Jack; this loophole may now be closed.
Married Segment Logic and Effects on Awards

"When selling seats for through flights and the desired inventory is not available, you cannot opt to sell the flight point-to-point. If sold point-to-point, the error response MULTIPLE SEGMENTS FOR SAME FLIGHT - SELL AS ONE SEGMENT will be received, indicating this booking is not allowed. Overriding the error check by ending the PNR twice is not acceptable." Link to FT thread; see wikipost info by JonNYC and hillrider.

"Sometimes when you’re searching for award space... you’ll find that some seats will show as available when you search for them from origin to destination, but when you call to book the flights segment-by-segment, those flights show as unavailable."

"Married segment logic is a tool used by airlines that restricts availability based on origin and destination, rather than by segments."(DCTA, on Boarding Area)

Married segment logic controls routings based on origin and destination, rather than segment-by-segment availability. Boarding Area
Link to Boarding Area: Sunday Reader Question: What are married segments?

From Amadeus: Married Segment Control Link

Amadeus Married Segment Control is a revenue maximisation tool that ensures that airline revenue management decisions, made at availability time, are applied throughout the booking process. It prevents agents bypassing availability controls, based on origin and destination (O&D) information. It also improves both load factors and revenue forecasting accuracy.

Key benefits
  • Ensures more effective forecasting by preventing O&D misuse and matching revenue forecasts with final revenues.
  • Improves consistency of sales processes by controlling travel agent selling behaviour.
  • Fully customisable and flexible solution that meets airline unique system requirements.
Link to Worldspan page with extensive information on MSL and coding.

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More award availability restricted by married segments / connections

Old Jun 18, 2018, 5:19 pm
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Never Get Married - AAdvantage Not You (award & married Segments)

I accept paying a little Marriage (segment) tax of 7500 miles to put on the last segment of my otherwise ok award.

I get it, they need the loot. Times are tough in oligarchical airline world.

But what I don't accept is piecing everything together for multiple tickets, putting in everyone's names, the award taxes repricing, and the "flight is no longer available", calling in and being told, "Ok that last segment isn't available, someone must have gotten it, if you can hold it then tell me the PNR and I will piece it together, ok thx, ok your 2nd to last segment isn't available now"

That's just plain CPU hacking the award to make it unavailable to book. And that makes the miles completely devalued.
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 5:20 pm
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 5:22 pm
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Oh, and I don't understand how the UK can get away with that ridic APD
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 5:25 pm
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USA1 = US airport not AA hub
USA2 = US airport AA hub
UK1 = Major UK airport
UK2 = Major UK airport

USA1 --> USA 2 7.5k miles
36 hours later USA2 --> UK1 30k miles
12 days later UK2 --> USA2 30kmiles
8 hours later USA2 --> USA1 7.5k miles

It won't let you book the UK2--> USA2 and USA2 --> USA1 flights together EVEN if you pay the extra miles. You have to use a separate PNR.

The agent has the gall to say "someone grabbed it". It's not grabbed.

IT'S AA NOT WANTING USA1 AADVANTAGE MEMBERS TO EASILY USE THE MILES AT ALL!
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 5:26 pm
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I.e. married segments cannot be booked on same PNR even if you pay extra miles.
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 5:31 pm
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Whatever I'll get 3 PNR's
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 5:32 pm
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Well that was riveting.
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by aubreyfromwheaton
Oh, and I don't understand how the UK can get away with that ridic APD
Because it's a Parliamentary authorised form of Taxation that's how.

What is ridiculous is airlines imposing 'surcharges' and 'fees' and trying to give the impression that they are 'taxes' when they are not.
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by aubreyfromwheaton
USA1 = US airport not AA hub
USA2 = US airport AA hub
UK1 = Major UK airport
UK2 = Major UK airport

USA1 --> USA 2 7.5k miles
36 hours later USA2 --> UK1 30k miles
12 days later UK2 --> USA2 30kmiles
8 hours later USA2 --> USA1 7.5k miles

It won't let you book the UK2--> USA2 and USA2 --> USA1 flights together EVEN if you pay the extra miles. You have to use a separate PNR.

The agent has the gall to say "someone grabbed it". It's not grabbed.

IT'S AA NOT WANTING USA1 AADVANTAGE MEMBERS TO EASILY USE THE MILES AT ALL!
Some of it is

Maximum permitted domestic connection: 3:59 hours
Maximum permitted international connection: 23:59 hours

See HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver award questions, assistance.
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by aubreyfromwheaton
Oh, and I don't understand how the UK can get away with that ridic APD
There is a reason we started the Revolutionary War, taxation without representation.
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 6:07 pm
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"Maximum permitted domestic connection: 3:59 hours"

Not any more: Have you seen some of the domestic connections AA is now offering on an award search?

And in any event, on an international award, one gets up to 24 hours to connect -- even on the domestic (U.S.) portion of the itinerary.
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 6:16 pm
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Originally Posted by guv1976
"Maximum permitted domestic connection: 3:59 hours"

Not any more: Have you seen some of the domestic connections AA is now offering on an award search?

And in any event, on an international award, one gets up to 24 hours to connect -- even on the domestic (U.S.) portion of the itinerary.
There is a difference between voluntary connections or involuntary connections. We can have 3:59 (or LIFO when possible), AA can give us convoluted, irrational routings and a rash.

Yes, the final connection is part of an international award and would normally be treated that way. But if anyone reading thinks they could get a 36 hour connection, they won’t be able to do so.
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 7:38 pm
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Wow. I remember when I had my first beer.

Quick browse here, or even google would have helped the op out quite a bit.
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 8:26 pm
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Rule #1 blame the op!

Originally Posted by thunderlounge
wow. I remember when i had my first beer.

Quick browse here, or even google would have helped the op out quite a bit.
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Old Jun 18, 2018, 9:10 pm
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Originally Posted by aubreyfromwheaton
Rule #1 blame the op!
Rule #1 is actually do a search before starting a new thread, but don't let that stop you from playing the victim.
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