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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 – 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 – 1,298 miles (2:45 – 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entrée followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert – specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Mar 2, 2014, 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Fanjet
Was tha mushroom pasta the "mushroom stroganoff"? It was one of the choices on my recent LAX-JFK flight. It just sounded salty. Like a can of Campbell's soup poured over noodles. The entree choices on my return JFK-SAN flight seemed quite nice: beef filet, grilled scampi, or gnocchi. I agree, not every meal option on AA has been palatable. But they do seem to make a genuine effort. Which seems to be quite the opposite at UA. A couple of times I've told the FA there "I'll just pass on the meal".
Oh yes, even when AA is at its worst, it's 10x better than UA. I am constantly amazed by the meals on AA -- I think by virtue of living with UA for so many years.

Yesterday, late night redeye LAX-JFK in J, snack was a good caesar salad with chicken, mug of corn chowder, some bread, and a cup of Three Twins ice cream. In UA p.s. on that flight, I'd expect maybe some slices of tired deli meat and a bag of pita chips. No contest.
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Old Mar 2, 2014, 4:22 pm
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AAA meals are variable, UA meals used to be good but now they are ... United Airlines quality... In other words. Where is the bag... A real shame. I have fond memories of really gourmet meals in International First Class. My last IFC meal was abominable, that and Mileage Plus problems and dropping NYC are why I fly American.
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 11:46 am
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And sometimes out of nowhere, a very decent dinner will appear on a AA non-transcon flight, totally atypical of the route, such as DFW-LGA last week, appetizer of cold shrimp, high end salad with actual good crumbled cheese, steak with potatoes and choice of cheese plate or sundae (pre-prepared and loaded, not "a la Europe flights"), when the previous week on the same flight one would get tired salad, chicken quesadilla and a frost bitten cheesecake slice. I have given up figuring it out...
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 1:58 pm
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Please share this at the AA Domestic Meals thread. Some of us were lamenting the loss of Basic Plus on DFW-LGA, but it seems like Basic Plus has returned, so it would be nice to report this in that thread.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Cofyknsult
And sometimes out of nowhere, a very decent dinner will appear on a AA non-transcon flight, totally atypical of the route, such as DFW-LGA last week, appetizer of cold shrimp, high end salad with actual good crumbled cheese, steak with potatoes and choice of cheese plate or sundae (pre-prepared and loaded, not "a la Europe flights"), when the previous week on the same flight one would get tired salad, chicken quesadilla and a frost bitten cheesecake slice. I have given up figuring it out...
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 2:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Cofyknsult
And sometimes out of nowhere, a very decent dinner will appear on a AA non-transcon flight, totally atypical of the route, such as DFW-LGA last week, appetizer of cold shrimp, high end salad with actual good crumbled cheese, steak with potatoes and choice of cheese plate or sundae (pre-prepared and loaded, not "a la Europe flights"), when the previous week on the same flight one would get tired salad, chicken quesadilla and a frost bitten cheesecake slice. I have given up figuring it out...
I often wonder what happens to catering when an international flight gets canceled after the catering has been prepared ;-)
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 2:22 pm
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Originally Posted by fastflyer
I'd like to say as one of (I assumed) the majority who pay cash for international J, I do have specific meal expectations:
- (French) Champagne
- 3 or 4 * meal, with a meal choice.
- Fine still wines, digestifs, liqueurs, & dessert/ cheese

If I'm paying a lot of cash, I do expect certain things be available (not that I'll always partake). Sometimes I sleep, sometimes I feast.
I just saw this. I lol'd.

I have never had a 3 or 4* meal on any plane in my life, which includes all the usual suspects in Int'l F.

And there are maybe a handful of people who pay cash for J or F on here (I'm one).
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 2:42 pm
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Originally Posted by gegarrenton
I just saw this. I lol'd.

I have never had a 3 or 4* meal on any plane in my life, which includes all the usual suspects in Int'l F.

And there are maybe a handful of people who pay cash for J or F on here (I'm one).
Can I recommend JAL or ANA first class. Best food I have had in the air. Luckily I adore Japanese food however they both offer international or Japanese or if like me you get greedy you can pick what you like.
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Originally Posted by rjlon
Can I recommend JAL or ANA first class. Best food I have had in the air. Luckily I adore Japanese food however they both offer international or Japanese or if like me you get greedy you can pick what you like.

I've flown them. They certainly do an admirable job given the circumstances.
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 5:39 pm
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I would like to point out that BA have changed the way they do their sleeper service. There was a point until about a year ago where there would be no main meal on board the aircraft if the flight was a sleeper service.

Today (and for the last year or so), BA have reintroduced a four course meal service on all sleeper service flights. Therefore, BA offer the pre flight supper in the lounge and you have the option on board to have a full 4 course J class meal.

Therefore you have three options:
Arrive late at the airport and have a full meal onboard.
Arrive early(ish) at the airport and have pre slight supper in the GC
Partake in both pre flight supper and the full onboard meal.

I think this makes everyone very happy and have myself enjoyed the service from JFK (including the spa)!
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 6:48 pm
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Originally Posted by fly747first
These are such short flights that I can completely understand the need for the change.
I've had amazing first class meals on 1 hour flights.

I've had decent F meals on AA ORD-BOS...I think they will lose a lot of F revenue if they drop the meals on ORD -BOS/LGA routres.

How does US F dinner service PHL or PIT to LAX differ from AA ORD-LX or BOS-LAX (for the same price)?

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Old Mar 3, 2014, 8:34 pm
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Originally Posted by nologic
I've had decent F meals on AA ORD-BOS...I think they will lose a lot of F revenue if they drop the meals on ORD -BOS/LGA routres.
Agree - same for ORD-DCA routes. I always choose AA over UA because of meal services in F on AA, versus potato chips in F on UA at meal time.
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 8:40 pm
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Originally Posted by cova
Agree - same for ORD-DCA routes. I always choose AA over UA because of meal services in F on AA, versus potato chips in F on UA at meal time.
I think AA did this on the ORD routes intentionally to provide a better product than UA. In fact, I think some of those dinners are/were "better" than the typical standard for 2 hour flights. Maybe they'll continue that on select competitive routes. Rules are made to be broken.
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 8:57 pm
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Originally Posted by rjlon
Can I recommend JAL or ANA first class. Best food I have had in the air. Luckily I adore Japanese food however they both offer international or Japanese or if like me you get greedy you can pick what you like.
I just did JAL J from Narita to LA. Had the western meal, and it was probably the best meal I've ever had on a plane. And consider I flew Cathay Pacific First on the way over.
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Old Mar 3, 2014, 9:43 pm
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Originally Posted by BA0197
I would like to point out that BA have changed the way they do their sleeper service. There was a point until about a year ago where there would be no main meal on board the aircraft if the flight was a sleeper service.

Today (and for the last year or so), BA have reintroduced a four course meal service on all sleeper service flights. Therefore, BA offer the pre flight supper in the lounge and you have the option on board to have a full 4 course J class meal.

Therefore you have three options:
Arrive late at the airport and have a full meal onboard.
Arrive early(ish) at the airport and have pre slight supper in the GC
Partake in both pre flight supper and the full onboard meal.

I think this makes everyone very happy and have myself enjoyed the service from JFK (including the spa)!
Its not a full four course meal. Its an option to have a full meal served on a tray instead of the lighter sleeper service option.
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Old Mar 4, 2014, 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
I just did JAL J from Narita to LA. Had the western meal, and it was probably the best meal I've ever had on a plane. And consider I flew Cathay Pacific First on the way over.
What did you have on CX out of curiosity? I find the F meals to be really hit or miss. I think JL is definitely a step ahead in that department, though for sleeping CX's suite is about my favorite thing going...
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