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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 – 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 – 1,298 miles (2:45 – 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entrée followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert – specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Feb 25, 2014, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by aero0729
I actually wrote to US Airways and they called me back!!! They told me they will be adopting AA's policies eventually but I am not sure that is true! I highly recommend everyone on this forum emailing US Airways and letting them know you value AA for their commitment to a better F Class product and that the sticker program works very well for all! The more we voice our opinion the better chance we have. Whining on here does nothing! Write an email!!
I'll do the same. I was on my usual Thursday evening flight from CLT to DFW this past week and there was a guy who had WAY too much to drink. I saw him fall down the escalator twice while leaving. I don't blame the FA - I didn't see him give him THAT much alcohol, but what can you expect when you pass out unlimited alcohol with only junk (i.e., chips, cookies) on a flight over 3 hours right in the middle of dinner time.
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aligning US and AA no problem but aligning down to BA standards of catering, oh dear.
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Having worked for AA previously for 15 years and HP for 2.5 I know that Parker is not stupid. The new AA has been sucking up FF's from UA and now DL and the very last thing they want to do is piss everyone off. I remember the good ole days with caviar on domestic flights, sorbet to cleanse the pallet between courses etc. Those days sadly are long gone. Also AA has a much more military culture than US/HP. They don't roll over, get in the grey zone or adapt to change easily unless it makes complete sense. HP/US not so much. Also Parker used to work for AA back in the day so he is not unfamiliar with AA culture. It is more likely he will be a leader like AA was in the 80's and 90's than he will be a current UA which has become a basket case. I just pray I don't have to eat this post later with regret. I hope AA goes for the service come back and keeps not only the true FF's but the casual flyer as well. DL just kissed the casual flyer good bye.
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I think the new intl meal policy is a little misguided. It should follow the meat time windows that exist on domestic long haul. So a 6pm JFK-Europe flight gets a full meal service, a 10pm one gets an express service. Someone on that early TATL flight is not going to be that sleepy at that hour, nor would they have had enough time for a proper meal beforehand.
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I remember the good ole days with caviar on domestic flights, sorbet to cleanse the pallet between courses etc. Those days sadly are long gone.
Sorbet is back on trans-cons.
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
Sorbet is back on trans-cons.


It is? I just flew LAX-JFK (Business) and JFK-SAN (First) this past week. Both were dinner flights. No mention of sorbet. Ice cream sundaes for dessert, though.
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It is? I just flew LAX-JFK (Business) and JFK-SAN (First) this past week. Both were dinner flights. No mention of sorbet. Ice cream sundaes for dessert, though.
Sorry, was not clear. It's served on breakfast flights after the meal.
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Ultimately I think whether the present AA windows are adopted by US/AA going forward will have to do with whether stickers stay around for upgrades. AA can have the shortest meal windows in the US because sticker revenue helps pay for it, whereas US/DL/UA have no such revenue stream (complementary shorthaul elite upgrades at all status levels). If US/AA do away with stickers and go to unlimited shorthaul elite upgrades for all status levels, they will need to find a way to save money on the front cabin product.
This would pretty much be the death knell for anyone actually paying for F in business markets out of ORD. I switched over to AA, including mostly paid F domestic, precisely because the fact CO trashed the UA F product by making access free. It was not at all surprising to understand why the COua front cabin is abysmal.

certainly hope AA is not considering unlimited free upgrades on routes that have meals. I'd rather see a sticker increase to ensure the service / meal quality stays intact.
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Old Feb 28, 2014, 11:13 pm
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certainly hope AA is not considering unlimited free upgrades on routes that have meals. I'd rather see a sticker increase to ensure the service / meal quality stays intact.
This logic baffles me. I've had plenty of domestic F meals on AA, UA, and US, and enjoyed them -- but frankly, I'd be hard pressed to say any of them was worth even the cost of a single sticker.
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Originally Posted by dtremit
This logic baffles me. I've had plenty of domestic F meals on AA, UA, and US, and enjoyed them -- but frankly, I'd be hard pressed to say any of them was worth even the cost of a single sticker.
I fully disagree. I find AA's meals to be delicious and high-quality and I am certainly hoping they stay that way. YMMV.
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Originally Posted by dtremit
This logic baffles me. I've had plenty of domestic F meals on AA, UA, and US, and enjoyed them -- but frankly, I'd be hard pressed to say any of them was worth even the cost of a single sticker.
Agree. I've had plenty of domestic F meals on AA. Although convenient, I wouldn't pay more than 15 bucks or so for any of them....
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Eating on a flight is a way of relaxation, and one that should be made the most enjoyable by the F&B department, as well as the FAs delivering the service.
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I find it impossible to generalize about American Airlines meals, either domestic or international. Some are wonderful, shrimp curry I would have paid for in a restaurant and gone back again, some are predictable, salmon that was cooked to the point that it was harder than the plate it was served on, mushroom pasta with more salt than the pacific ocean below and some unspeakable like Huevos Rancheros that looked as though a pet dog or cat had just been ill. When it is good then (CX, SQ and Japanese carriers excepted) it is some of the best out there but oh dear, is it variable.
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Originally Posted by rjlon
I find it impossible to generalize about American Airlines meals, either domestic or international. Some are wonderful, shrimp curry I would have paid for in a restaurant and gone back again, some are predictable, salmon that was cooked to the point that it was harder than the plate it was served on, mushroom pasta with more salt than the pacific ocean below and some unspeakable like Huevos Rancheros that looked as though a pet dog or cat had just been ill. When it is good then (CX, SQ and Japanese carriers excepted) it is some of the best out there but oh dear, is it variable.
Was tha mushroom pasta the "mushroom stroganoff"? It was one of the choices on my recent LAX-JFK flight. It just sounded salty. Like a can of Campbell's soup poured over noodles. The entree choices on my return JFK-SAN flight seemed quite nice: beef filet, grilled scampi, or gnocchi. I agree, not every meal option on AA has been palatable. But they do seem to make a genuine effort. Which seems to be quite the opposite at UA. A couple of times I've told the FA there "I'll just pass on the meal".
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