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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 – 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 – 1,298 miles (2:45 – 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entrée followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert – specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Feb 19, 2014, 3:00 am
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Perhaps AA could consider setting up the bar as a buffet area, with customers being provided with plates/silverware in a prepackaged kit (such as the amenity kit), and allowed to eat buffet-style at their convenience.
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Part of what people are paying for is the option to say no. People can go 14 hours from NYC to HKG with no meal service and live.
Sure, they can, but that doesn't mean they should, esp. in a front cabin.
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You know, it's really remarkably similar to what's served in domestic F today.
  • Roll with butter
  • Salad
  • Small appetizer
  • Entree with vegetable and starch in a single heated dish
  • Dessert (I'm assuming that's a strawberry something-or-other)

It looks better, sure -- but then again, this is a magazine photo.
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I've purchased a couple of paid F tickets for CLT-DFW (937 mi) recently and can say the meal service is a huge differentiator. I am usually flying at meal times. at 3 hours westbound, by the time I arrive it is too late to eat dinner. I would not pay for US F on this route but would for AA.
Agree. Eating ok food at the normal mealtime is a big plus for me. Sometimes the cost of F is not that much more, and between that, 500 milers, mileage upgrades, and op-ups I am often a happy camper in domestic F on AA.

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Kind of disingenuous to "harmonize" the service with BA to LHR but not mention anything about preflight dining. At a minimum they should offer, say, a $15 voucher for food in the AC. Though they'd probably have to ramp up prep/serving capacity and add more tables.

And then I think a one-tray (hot) offering on board is fine for J (F needs a more elaborate option IMO) for those who don't have time to eat before. I think the number of people who (1) pay cash for J and (2) want to "maximize their experience" is very very limited.

As for FAs hating to plate entrees on the 77W, they've always done this on the 763s since they went 2-class, no? IIRC the 763 had 3.5 FAs for the 30 seats (including pilot rest). What's the ratio on the 77W?
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Just missing the cigarette and ash tray.
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Old Feb 19, 2014, 7:52 pm
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Kind of disingenuous to "harmonize" the service with BA to LHR but not mention anything about preflight dining. At a minimum they should offer, say, a $15 voucher for food in the AC. Though they'd probably have to ramp up prep/serving capacity and add more tables.

And then I think a one-tray (hot) offering on board is fine for J (F needs a more elaborate option IMO) for those who don't have time to eat before. I think the number of people who (1) pay cash for J and (2) want to "maximize their experience" is very very limited.

As for FAs hating to plate entrees on the 77W, they've always done this on the 763s since they went 2-class, no? IIRC the 763 had 3.5 FAs for the 30 seats (including pilot rest). What's the ratio on the 77W?
That's a good idea. BTW I was told (by a US FA who is on some "food" committee working on the integration) the that the combined aa/us will spend about $55 per passenger on intl business class meals - hard for me to believe as I wouldn't pay $10 for one, but they could easily provide a voucher for a meal in the AC - or the terminal for that matter. Like I said, I am and always have been a huge fan of a meal at Bobby Van's at JFK - would much rather have a $50 voucher to eat there than eat in the BA club.
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That's a good idea. BTW I was told (by a US FA who is on some "food" committee working on the integration) the that the combined aa/us will spend about $55 per passenger on intl business class meals - hard for me to believe as I wouldn't pay $10 for one, but they could easily provide a voucher for a meal in the AC - or the terminal for that matter. Like I said, I am and always have been a huge fan of a meal at Bobby Van's at JFK - would much rather have a $50 voucher to eat there than eat in the BA club.
$55 sounds like a lot, but I'll bet that includes the all-in costs allocated to each business class passenger, including the pre-flight sparkling wine, the open bar, the wine selection, including port, etc.

What would be really cool info would be to discover what pre-merger US and pre-merger AA spent on each business class passenger for food and beverage.

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Correct about the all-inclusive cost and one reasonably big factor is the cost of delivery to the plane as needed for the schedule - it's not like a catering truck is stationed at the airport with a day's supply of meals to be delivered to specific flights at specific times as each airline's schedule dictates.

It's just a guess but I'd be surprised if the actual food component of business class meals was over $15-20.

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Meals changes US & AA announced - international and domestic

I'd like to say as one of (I assumed) the majority who pay cash for international J, I do have specific meal expectations:
- (French) Champagne
- 3 or 4 * meal, with a meal choice.
- Fine still wines, digestifs, liqueurs, & dessert/ cheese

If I'm paying a lot of cash, I do expect certain things be available (not that I'll always partake). Sometimes I sleep, sometimes I feast.

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Old Feb 20, 2014, 12:37 pm
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Well, for 5k each way you should be easily able to get F. If you're booking last minute, then you're paying for the fact that there is even availability, not for fine still wines.
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Originally Posted by FWAAA
$55 sounds like a lot, but I'll bet that includes the all-in costs allocated to each business class passenger, including the pre-flight sparkling wine, the open bar, the wine selection, including port, etc.

What would be really cool info would be to discover what pre-merger US and pre-merger AA spent on each business class passenger for food and beverage.
Aviation Daily used to publish the data by carrier by market (i.e. - North America, TransAtlantic, Asia/Pacific, etc)...
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Meals changes US & AA announced - international and domestic

On balance pretty good news.

...don't really understand conceptually how improving service on US means doom and gloom for AA. I think the jury's still out on that.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 5:36 pm
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Meals changes US & AA announced - international and domestic

Also I don't know many who want a full meal on an eastbound TATL. IMO the goal on such a short flight is zzzzzzzzzz
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Originally Posted by sriegert
On balance pretty good news.

...don't really understand conceptually how improving service on US means doom and gloom for AA. I think the jury's still out on that.
Definitely Good new for those who habit the USairways front cabins.

Leaves room for speculation in relation to AA-see my post #42.
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