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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 – 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 – 1,298 miles (2:45 – 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entrée followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert – specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Mar 4, 2014, 6:15 pm
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Originally Posted by rjlon
AAA meals are variable, UA meals used to be good but now they are ... United Airlines quality... In other words. Where is the bag... A real shame. I have fond memories of really gourmet meals in International First Class. My last IFC meal was abominable, that and Mileage Plus problems and dropping NYC are why I fly American.
Are you referencing the Jeff McMuffin or the Bread Calzone?
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Old Mar 6, 2014, 11:01 pm
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Reading further in this thread the best meal entree I ever had on a plane was an Aloha Airlines First meal from SNA to HNL. It was sea bass from Chile and it was done to perfection. I burned through my UA miles last Oct in First on all legs MCO-IAH-HNL-GUM-YAP and return. Food was dismal, service was inconsistent, seating was also on the longer legs, and the IAH-MCO leg was horrid, no entertainment at all in F only in Y, and the food was repulsive. UA's first meals would have lost them Y customers back in the days. I've never been served such trash on AA even though the whole service standard has dropped post 9/11. P.S. I got served the Jeff Mc Muffin on my first leg MCO- IAH and Mc Donalds has nothing to worry about.
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Originally Posted by 4jaded
Reading further in this thread the best meal entree I ever had on a plane was an Aloha Airlines First meal from SNA to HNL. It was sea bass from Chile and it was done to perfection. I burned through my UA miles last Oct in First on all legs MCO-IAH-HNL-GUM-YAP and return. Food was dismal, service was inconsistent, seating was also on the longer legs, and the IAH-MCO leg was horrid, no entertainment at all in F only in Y, and the food was repulsive. UA's first meals would have lost them Y customers back in the days. I've never been served such trash on AA even though the whole service standard has dropped post 9/11. P.S. I got served the Jeff Mc Muffin on my first leg MCO- IAH and Mc Donalds has nothing to worry about.
But AA at least puts some thought in its premium meals, we definitely have to give it credit for that. On AA, I consistently get the best warm nuts, excellent fresh salads, average to excellent entrees, while cookies are usually decent, non-sundae ice cream can be hit or miss, but the standard sundaes are always fantastic. Neither DL or UA can match that.
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Old Mar 8, 2014, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by sriegert
Are you referencing the Jeff McMuffin or the Bread Calzone?
Don't forget the Taco Bell wrap!


Originally Posted by fly747first
But AA at least puts some thought in its premium meals, we definitely have to give it credit for that. On AA, I consistently get the best warm nuts, excellent fresh salads, average to excellent entrees, while cookies are usually decent, non-sundae ice cream can be hit or miss, but the standard sundaes are always fantastic. Neither DL or UA can match that.
+1

AA meals are completely opposite of UA. Meals change frequently and it actually tastes good! Can't believe UA is still service the same crap they have had for the past year++
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Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
Don't forget the Taco Bell wrap!

+1

AA meals are completely opposite of UA. Meals change frequently and it actually tastes good! Can't believe UA is still service the same crap they have had for the past year++
Could not agree with you any more. This has been the biggest difference since I switched to AA. The food and wine on AA are simply orders of magnitude better than United! (crossing my fingers that this does not change with the Parker integration)

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will this mean CLT-IAH gets meal service?

It's blocked at 2:55 but is just shy of 1000 miles (nautical less)
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Originally Posted by sriegert
will this mean CLT-IAH gets meal service?

It's blocked at 2:55 but is just shy of 1000 miles (nautical less)
I thought this would be easy to figure out by looking at some flights, but it doesn't appear anything is neatly following these rules -- neither the start date nor the mileage seems to line up.

I don't see any meal service on CLT-IAH before or after 4/1.

On the other hand, I see meal service on some flights blocked well under 3:30, with service seeming to have already started. E.g., PHX-IAH (877nm, 2:42) is listed as a meal flight tomorrow. I can't find any city pairs where there's no meal service listed today and new meal service listed after 4/1.
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+1

AA meals are completely opposite of UA. Meals change frequently and it actually tastes good! Can't believe UA is still service the same crap they have had for the past year++
Yep, and further, AA usually loads extra food and the truly great cabin crews tend to offer you additional warm nuts, bread, and/or cookies, whereas at UA, they only load one item of terrible quality per passenger and that's it.
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I've done a bit of sleuthing, and meal service for 3/12 AND 4/3 on US is showing as:

YES:

PHL-MSP (980 miles)
PHL-MIA (1013 miles)
PHX-MSP (1276 miles)
PHX-MKE (1460 miles)
PHX-DSM (1149 miles)
PHX-IND (1448 miles)
PHX-MCI (1044 miles)
PHX-OMA (1037 miles)
PHX-SEA (1107 miles)
PHX-PDX (1009 miles)
PHX-GEG (1020 miles)
CLT-MSP (930 miles)
PHL-IAH (1325 miles)

NO:

PHL-ORD (678 miles)
PHL-FLL (992 miles)
PHL-MCI (1038 miles)
CLT-DFW (936 miles)
PHX-BOI (735 miles)
CLT-IAH (912 miles)
CLT-SAT (1095 miles)
CLT-MCI (808 miles)
CLT-MKE (651 miles)

Note: all miles are non-nautical. (Why didn't US just announce the real miles - why use nautical miles? That just confuses people. Much simpler to say 1,xxx miles.)

Based on the sleuthing, it seems like the only flights under 1,000 miles receiving meal service is competitive routes (to UA/DL hubs), and the highest route not receiving meal service is CLT-SAT at 1095 miles. Some routes seem to have newly received meal service, such as MSP-PHL/PHX and MIA-PHL. I clearly remember MSP-PHX not getting meal service.

Interestingly, current AA hubs that are over 900 miles and do not receive meal service include CLT-DFW, and some very short AA flights that compete with US do not get meal service on US beyond 4/1 - PHL-ORD for example.

Not sure what signs this point to, but it definitely is inconsistent at this point. Perhaps we'll see a more specific window/list of flights as 4/1 marches closer? Although, if US plans to align itself with current AA service window parameters by 9/1, that would be a bit meaningless.

As an aside, I've checked AA.com for 9/1 AND 9/18 (to be safe), and it's showing ORD-DCA (612 miles) with meal service, as a sample.

Originally Posted by dtremit
I thought this would be easy to figure out by looking at some flights, but it doesn't appear anything is neatly following these rules -- neither the start date nor the mileage seems to line up.

I don't see any meal service on CLT-IAH before or after 4/1.

On the other hand, I see meal service on some flights blocked well under 3:30, with service seeming to have already started. E.g., PHX-IAH (877nm, 2:42) is listed as a meal flight tomorrow. I can't find any city pairs where there's no meal service listed today and new meal service listed after 4/1.

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Some of this could be due to the lead time for different caterers or catering facilities. Half of the "No" list are CLT routes - probably a smaller catering facility than at bigger airports - while the only CLT route in the "Yes" list is CLT-MSP.

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Wonder why they'd give MIA-PHL a meal but not FLL-PHL? I guess MIA-PHL is a tad over 1000 miles while FLL-PHL is a tad under, and MIA is a hub, but there are no meals on SAT-CLT (> 1000 miles) nor on CLT - DFW (hub-hub of a reasonable distance). Might have to start using MIA instead of FLL more when I go down there...
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Old Mar 10, 2014, 12:44 pm
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The routes that are planned to get new meal service 4/1 are:

CLT to/from:

AUS
CUN
CZM
GCM
MBJ
MSP
PLS
SAT

PHL to/from:

MIA
MSP
MSY
NAS

PHX to/from:

DSM
GDL
GEG
IAH
MCI
MSP
OMA
PDX
SEA
STL
YEG
YVR
YYC
ZIH
ZLO
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Old Mar 10, 2014, 12:47 pm
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
Note: all miles are non-nautical. (Why didn't US just announce the real miles - why use nautical miles? That just confuses people. Much simpler to say 1,xxx miles.)
I think it was an internal communication -- and clearly it's just an estimate. I would guess that nautical miles are used by the airline internally, though BoeingBoy would probably know better than I.

Originally Posted by BoeingBoy
Some of this could be due to the lead time for different caterers or catering facilities. Half of the "No" list are CLT routes - probably a smaller catering facility than at bigger airports - while the only CLT route in the "Yes" list is CLT-MSP.
Supporting that, there are very few actual nonstop routes out of CLT that are >1000nm and <3.5h flight time -- domestically, I think it's just CLT-DEN. Center area is 1000nm, and the ring is 210min:



(Map generated by the Great Circle Mapper and copyright Karl L Swartz)
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Old Mar 10, 2014, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by T/BE20/G
The routes that are planned to get new meal service 4/1 are:
Thanks for digging that up! If anyone's interested, the distances for those are as follows:

CLT-AUS 897nm
CLT-CUN 904nm
CLT-CZM 934nm
CLT-GCM 953nm
CLT-MBJ 1013nm
CLT-MSP 808nm
CLT-PLS 925nm
CLT-SAT 951nm

PHL-MIA 880nm
PHL-MSP 852nm
PHL-MSY 946nm
PHL-NAS 895nm

PHX-DSM 999nm
PHX-GDL 901nm
PHX-GEG 887nm
PHX-IAH 877nm
PHX-MCI 907nm
PHX-MSP 1109nm
PHX-OMA 901nm
PHX-PDX 877nm
PHX-SEA 962nm
PHX-STL 1096nm
PHX-YEG 1194nm
PHX-YVR 1069nm
PHX-YYC 1064nm
PHX-ZIH 1105nm
PHX-ZLO 944nm
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Old Mar 10, 2014, 1:30 pm
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Looks like PHX will be the clear winner from the 4/1 rules.

However, CLT-SAT said no meal service, even after 4/1?
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