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Old Aug 18, 2013, 3:03 pm
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NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new “Which 777-200ER?” thread here.
Boeing 777-223ER "777" to "772" - now creferred to as “777” on aa.com - Refit. No Flagship First; Fully horizontally flat all aisle access Business seats; Premium Economy; Main Cabin Extra; Main Cabin / Economy.

- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.

The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:

37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)

link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018


- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.

- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion

NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.

If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, it’s a Zodiac “Concept D” Business Suite equipped aircraft.

If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), it’s a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.


Boeing 777-223ER – 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet)

FOR THREADS ON 777-200ER SEATS AND SEAT SELECTION

See
See: AA reducing 45 Business Class seats to 37 from the “45” 777s

See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.

See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.

See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.

See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.

NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, it’s a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.

See American Completes Two-Class Retrofits for Entire Boeing 777-200 Fleet
July 25, 2017 AirlineGeeks.com Staff

See HAECO interviews AA article here.

Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.

The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.

There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:

13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.

6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.

The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"

NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.

NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)

That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:

They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.

Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:

"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.

The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal

For the full article see here for Gary's full information.

The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leff’s article.

The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:

"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:

None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018

"37J/252Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
N781AN*, N782AN*, N770AN*,
N752AN*, N774AN*, N765AN*,
N788AN*, N756AM*,N761AJ*,
N785AN*, N751AN* N757AN*
N754AN* N773AN* N798AN*
N795AN* N759AN*


"37J/252Y" configuration with BEA Super Diamond (front facing only) seats:
N750AN*
N753AN*
N755AN*
N758AN*
N762AN*
N766AN*
N767AJ*
N771AN*
N772AN*
N775AN*
N776AN*
N777AN*
N778AN*
N779AN*
N780AN*
N783AN*
N784AN*
N786AN*
N787AL*
N789AN*
N790AN*
N791AN*
N792AN*
N793AN*
N794AN*
N796AN*
N797AN*
N799AN*


Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.

The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):

N750AN
N751AN
N757AN
N752AN
N753AN
N754AN
N755AN
N756AM
N758AN
N759AN
N760AN
N761AJ
N762AN
N765AN
N766AN
N767AJ
N768AA
N770AN
N771AN
N772AN
N773AN
N774AN
N775AN
N776AN
N777AN
N778AN
N779AN
N780AN
N781AN
N782AN
N783AN
N784AN
N785AN
N786AN
N787AL
N788AN
N789AN
N790AN
N791AN
N792AN
N793AN
N794AN
N795AN
N796AN
N797AN
N798AN
N799AN

The following aircraft(s) currently getting PEY at PAE

Last 772 N759AN left PAE on 12/18/2018


Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018


Program details:
  • AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
    • Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
      • First class is eliminated
        • Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
          • Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
            • Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
              • Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
                • International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
                  • In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
                    • A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
                      • All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
      • New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
        • 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
          • 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
            • 170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.


See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER Business Seat / Seats for Business seating discussion.

See: Trip reportwith images by TokinaMaso.

See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.

Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)

The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):

Widebody "C" Checks

Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Current AA Boeing 777 nomenclature as used by AA, various GDS, etc. as mentioned in several posts, especially hillrider and mall.
  • 772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
    • 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
      • 77W is the three class 777-323ER.

For the 763 / 767-323ERs Cabin Improvement Program, see the thread Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014.

ARCHIVED THREADS OF OBSOLETE 777-200ER with Flagship F, "NGBC" J


Thanks to econometrics, longboater and fedechat for the many updates

updated 18 December 2018 by Fedechat
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Old Aug 29, 2017, 7:34 am
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Originally Posted by fedechat
N756AM arrived at HAECO 3 days ago (maintenance?) and there is a 45J (N754AN) that it has been siting at BFM for 3 weeks, anybody know about what happen with it?.
Doesn't AA do some heavy checks at BFM with the 777 and A330 frames lately, at VTMAE?

I saw a 77W coming into DFW from BFM a while back after being out of service for a few weeks.
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Originally Posted by econometrics
Doesn't AA do some heavy checks at BFM with the 777 and A330 frames lately, at VTMAE?

I saw a 77W coming into DFW from BFM a while back after being out of service for a few weeks.
VTMAE may well provide heavy maintenance for the A330s at the old BAFB, but I think all 777 "C" checks are performed at the HKG HAECO facility. They've been the sole supplier for the extensive 772 cabin refit, of course. VTMAE could provide some structural repair services that might apply to the 772.

An older article about closing the AA Alliance maintenance base and outsourcing of AA maintenance here.

The obsolete AA thread about outsourcing 777 maintenance 12 Sep 2012 here.

"Widebody C Checks

Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check." - AA

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Old Sep 8, 2017, 2:48 am
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...and then there were none....

...I'm happy to report I've updated the wiki to reflect that N794AN is back from refurb in HAECO and will be on the schedule tomorrow Sept 9 from Tokyo.

The lie-flat conversion in J is now complete!
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Great news!
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As of today, 4 772s have been retrofitted with PEY. Another 3 retrofits are in progress. Wiki updated.
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Originally Posted by nyc6035
...I'm happy to report I've updated the wiki to reflect that N794AN is back from refurb in HAECO and will be on the schedule tomorrow Sept 9 from Tokyo.

The lie-flat conversion in J is now complete!
For 180 lie flat - well, UAL launched their fleet wide-retrofit in 2006, and finished in 2012. 2-4-2 isn't ideal, but it was lie flat.

IMO AMR's NGBC was a huge mistake, that put American in the wrong product cycle range.

I don't like United's new Zodiac seats, and DL's "suites" are just Vantage XL's with a B6 Mint-esque mini door.

Should be interesting to see what AA does 5 years from now.
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N753AN is out of PAE and N778AN is in, it took less than 2 weeks which is a good number.
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and N778AN is in...
The first 45J 772 to get W. I wonder if that means no more 3-3-3 MCE...
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Originally Posted by econometrics
The first 45J 772 to get W. I wonder if that means no more 3-3-3 MCE...
They may choose to standardize the 772 fleet - which probably means all 772 have 37J, 24W, and 212Y.
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N778AN is 37J and I remember reading that AA will keep those 772 with 45J for a while.
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Oops, I read 788AN. ^
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N778AN is 37J and I remember reading that AA will keep those 772 with 45J for a while.
Is there any rhyme or reason as to where the 45J birds are flying? I'm guessing they're pretty heavily centered on LHR and NRT, as every other 777 route I've looked at recently shows 37J.

I agree that the High-J ones don't seem long for the world, but it seems like they want to get PEY done before embarking on another reconfig.
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Is there any rhyme or reason as to where the 45J birds are flying? I'm guessing they're pretty heavily centered on LHR and NRT, as every other 777 route I've looked at recently shows 37J.
They're mainly based in JFK. Sometimes making an appearance in other hubs, but majority ex-JFK routes.

...also, I saw that N754AN (45J) was in Mobile and just returned to service at JFK.

Likely being at VT MAE, I wonder if there were W seats put in while she was there?
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N753AN and N767AJ out of PAE

N792AN arrived at PAE 9/30
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So I have the option to fly the AA777-2 out of HND in J or with JAL 777-3 out of NRT with their "skysuite", I'm guessing the skysuite is a much better choice? What would you guys pick?
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