Feb 14, 2013, 9:50 am
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The AA - US merger was approved by AMR creditors and the boards of directors of both airlines on 13 Feb 2013, and announced the 14th.
There is no further speculation about whether the merger will occur; all that is pending is approval from the bankruptcy court and the regulatory authorities.
American Airlines and US Airways approve merger: just the facts, please outlines the facts we know;
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion (consolidated) is the thread for discussion of the announced merger.
The AA - US merger was approved by AMR creditors and the boards of directors of both airlines on 13 Feb 2013, and announced the 14th.
There is no further speculation about whether the merger will occur; all that is pending is approval from the bankruptcy court and the regulatory authorities.
American Airlines and US Airways approve merger: just the facts, please outlines the facts we know;
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion (consolidated) is the thread for discussion of the announced merger.
ARCHIVE: US LCC & AMR / AA Takeover / merger Rumors and Discussion (consolidated)
Feb 4, 2012, 2:24 pm
#31
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Me too. I just found AA last year after 10+ at UA and one idiotic year at DL. The service I have gotten has been so far above what I had seen elsewhere, I would be really despondent to lose it now.
Feb 4, 2012, 2:26 pm
#32
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In a Chapter 11 filing essentially creditors seize control of the company. Any strategic moves need to be approved first by the creditors' committee and then the Court. If US (or anyother potential acquirer) makes a compeling deal to the creditors Horton won't be able to stop it.
That Arizona water might start smelling like swamp water to AA management.
That Arizona water might start smelling like swamp water to AA management.
Feb 4, 2012, 2:35 pm
#33
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The US Y product is actually not that bad. I flew SFO-PHL and a few times and they did a beverage service 3 times and the seats are more comfortable than AA Y. The most I get on AA twice on a transcon. Yes, US used to suck in the past, but they suck less now.
The real fear is the change in the AAdvantage program. Sadly, I strongly feel that status and upgrades based on miles flown is going to go away very soon. It was great while it lasted.
The bright side is that US flies to TLV. Who knows whether US will keep the route our not, though, assuming they buy AA.
The real fear is the change in the AAdvantage program. Sadly, I strongly feel that status and upgrades based on miles flown is going to go away very soon. It was great while it lasted.
The bright side is that US flies to TLV. Who knows whether US will keep the route our not, though, assuming they buy AA.
Feb 4, 2012, 3:05 pm
#34
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The US Y product is actually not that bad. I flew SFO-PHL and a few times and they did a beverage service 3 times and the seats are more comfortable than AA Y. The most I get on AA twice on a transcon. Yes, US used to suck in the past, but they suck less now.
The real fear is the change in the AAdvantage program. Sadly, I strongly feel that status and upgrades based on miles flown is going to go away very soon. It was great while it lasted.
The bright side is that US flies to TLV. Who knows whether US will keep the route our not, though, assuming they buy AA.
The real fear is the change in the AAdvantage program. Sadly, I strongly feel that status and upgrades based on miles flown is going to go away very soon. It was great while it lasted.
The bright side is that US flies to TLV. Who knows whether US will keep the route our not, though, assuming they buy AA.
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Feb 4, 2012, 4:29 pm
#35
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Cocky and Bankrupt. Interesting combination.
Feb 4, 2012, 4:32 pm
#36
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Who knows what Doug would try to pull next but I'm pretty sure he's drinking too much of that 1 dollar water
Nice way to spin it
US used 2 Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2 years to get that profitability.
We're only through our 1st Chapter 11, come back later
And at the same time, I can say, where are the Asian flights US? Ha
Feb 4, 2012, 4:34 pm
#37
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In the days when they were called Allegheny, locally we referred to them as "Agony" Airlines for all the ick they added to life.
Plus, they kept flying into the mountains near Pittsburgh!
Feb 4, 2012, 9:00 pm
#39
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The current US Airways is a far cry from Allegheny Airlines. I remember the CVR-580's
and I think they flew something called a Nord-262. I don't remember a PIT crash but a few birds went down near Erie.
and I think they flew something called a Nord-262. I don't remember a PIT crash but a few birds went down near Erie.
Feb 5, 2012, 6:35 am
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Feb 5, 2012, 10:07 am
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Unfortunately then he is not being very clear about it…
"Henry Harteveldt, an aviation analyst with the Atmosphere Group, called Horton's remarks "unnecessarily arrogant." But he did say that American is serious about not merging.
"Mr. Horton and his team absolutely want to see American remain independent. American doesn't want to be asked to dance," Harteveldt said."
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...#storylink=cpy
"Henry Harteveldt, an aviation analyst with the Atmosphere Group, called Horton's remarks "unnecessarily arrogant." But he did say that American is serious about not merging.
"Mr. Horton and his team absolutely want to see American remain independent. American doesn't want to be asked to dance," Harteveldt said."
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...#storylink=cpy
How is his plan different than Aprey's? It's the same plan with reduced labor costs through Chapter 11. In fact he refers to Arpey in a recent AAmerican Way as "my great friend Gerard Arpey." Seems hardly like somebody who is distancing himself from the AArpey doctrine.
Crandall and Arpey/Horton IMO have little in common at least so far. I do think if Crandall had ever taken AA to Chap 11 he would have gone to a $1 salary - just as a show of solidarity - did Horton do that?
Anyway, nothing very innovative that has come out - no two-tier labor structure, no innovative twists of frequent flier programs, no innovative flying plans, no innovative ancillary revenue strategies, at least so far.
Crandall and Arpey/Horton IMO have little in common at least so far. I do think if Crandall had ever taken AA to Chap 11 he would have gone to a $1 salary - just as a show of solidarity - did Horton do that?
Anyway, nothing very innovative that has come out - no two-tier labor structure, no innovative twists of frequent flier programs, no innovative flying plans, no innovative ancillary revenue strategies, at least so far.
Feb 5, 2012, 11:25 am
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Feb 6, 2012, 12:24 am
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Some may note posts have been deleted; posts are deleted when they go off topic oor become dilatory to the discussion, become uncivil or discuss issues belonging in other fora.
For the record, American has never operated flights to Israel; TWA did, and when TW ceased its operations so did Israel operations. As there is not a TWA forum, discussion of those operations, always sure to stimulate some flames and feelings, is not germant to this forum.
Thank you,
JDiver, Moderator
For the record, American has never operated flights to Israel; TWA did, and when TW ceased its operations so did Israel operations. As there is not a TWA forum, discussion of those operations, always sure to stimulate some flames and feelings, is not germant to this forum.
Thank you,
JDiver, Moderator
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Feb 6, 2012, 2:49 pm
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IF US/AA actually did tango, presume AA name would be surviving as better recognition and US West types would no longer see USAirways name...Would be interesting to see American with a hub at Charlotte (RDU like flashback, but more flight operations) and flying its own metal to some of the cities in Europe that Delta and the new United fly to. ..But inheriting the labor mess that is US on top of its own mess would be hideous as Medusa....so I hope Horton is right that they will stand alone
Feb 6, 2012, 11:43 pm
#45
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This is good to hear. No reason to merge or be bought out by US. Much rather have AA on their strengths but with a reduced cost structute and same quality of service and FF program intact.