pbd456

PP can increase the price that it charges Chase, and as a result, the low annual fee (150 USD) should not be able to justified the added cost.

i dont really use my PP benefits that much myself, as I can access DL lounge when I fly delta, UA lounge when I fly UA, AA (flagship lounge) when I fly AA -- none of this comes via PP.

VegasGambler

I'm sure that Chase will immediately change their benefits to exactly meet your needs and ignore those of their other customers.

Without PP, the CSR would not be competitive with other travel cards in its price range (~$500 AF). Lounge access standard for a high-end travel card.

pbd456

CSR is 150, not around 500.
CSP is 95.

VegasGambler

The annual fee on the CSR is $450.

pbd456

300 travel credit is trivial to use. i know of no person who couldnt use it.

unlike amex airline credit which takes real skill to use. that is 200 out of annual fee of 550

beckoa

I appreciate the fact ANC, PDX, LAX and JFK are still in Priority Pass. I understand access is not guaranteed, but hope there is still opportunity in the future to use these lounges. Just checked into PDX tonight- sad it closed early due to the delay of AS143, could have been there a bit longer. I do not encourage AS and PP to terminate any more agreements.

VegasGambler

The card has many benefits, and of course you get value from those benefits. That doesn't change the annual fee. I'm not sure why you are subtracting the travel credit and not the value of the other benefits.

The point is that there are only a few non-branded travel cards in that price range, with varying benefits, but they all include lounge access. Removing it would be a ridiculously bad marketing decision. -- it would make the card uncompetitive. If PP were to up the cost, they'd probably just go to a $500 AF. That still leaves them equal to the Citi Presige and still cheaper than the Amex Plat.

Bottom line: PP Select isn't going anywhere.

pbd456

I don't see why I am better off when PP kicks AS out.

I have been able to access AS BR 80% of the time this yaer (and similar rate in 2018)

It was really easy back before the existence of CSR.

Many people obtain PP via CSR, as a result, it is crowding the BR.

In fact, I have friend who is debating to keep the CSR or not for the 150 net annual fee. ( They wouldn't even consider cards like amex plat which has a net annual fee of 350 after the airline credit.)

My argument is that the low annual net fee for CSR is causing the crowding and complaints.

It can be solved via increasing the net annual fee for majority of people.
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jonnyz1245

Flying out of PDX and an MVP Gold last 3 years, I am around 2 for 30 when it comes to being admitted to the AS BR using PP. This is for PDX, SEA, and LAX. It became so I stopped even bothering to stop by the last 24 months as I knew it would be full. Amex Cent lounge lately has also been turning away Platinum card holders due to over capacity. This happened to me twice in SEA and twice in Las Vegas the last 90 days.

VegasGambler

I didn't say that you would be


Unfortunately that makes no sense. This is not Chase's problem; why would they give up business in order to solve it?

This is PP's problem. They can solve it by kicking AS (and other programs that abuse the system) out.

pbd456

is PP better off kicking AS out? No.
and you can advocating PP to kick AS out? i am just confused.

arent people complained to Chase about not able to access AS lounge via their PP?

it is just my opinion that Chase users are more demanding than others.

fti

Was in ANC lounge last night. No problem getting. Very empty when I arrived. Got a bit more crowded by the time I left at 9pm but still not full. Glad that AS is still a part of PP.

HIFlya

Sorry the previous thread was closed so I could do the conventional quote and type and I guess I am a little later to the party with this issue. I know that people before have said that the PP T&Cs say that there is a departing boarding pass requirement to use PP at Capers in PDX as @PDXPremier mentions in what I bolded. I am wondering if the T&Cs have changed since people have said that because when I look at the T&Cs now, it only says that a "same-day boarding pass is required." NOTHING says that it has to be an outgoing boarding pass. So if I was to show my boarding pass to PDX that was for that same day, I would be complying with the T&Cs. If @PDXPremier reads this thread please let me know if the PP T&Cs didn't change from when you linked it in April 2018, thanks!

beckoa

2/8/19 ANC AL 11 PM denied entry

pushmyredbutton

Tried getting into JFK @1pm for a 5pm flight. I was naive and thought the standard PP rule was for a '3 hour max stay', but it definitely appears that the AS wording is 'max 3 hours before your flight', and this is enforced by the AS Lounge system.

The sign was not out, but the lounge computer would not accept my PP card with a boarding pass departing 4 hours later. I ended up using a 75K pass.