Domestic fully vaccinated or test required mid December
Nov 8, 2021, 8:37 pm
#16
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Thanks for that info
Was going to have a proper sit down tonight and figure it out.
Nov 8, 2021, 9:19 pm
#17
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Such a fear of COVID in NZ. The risk of catching it on a plane is so remote, it’s negligible. Of the close to 200,000 MIQ returnees, only 2 have caught it on the plane - both unvaccinated - on EK 448 one of the longest flights in the world. It’s thought that transmission occurred during the KL transit when there was passenger movement and limited ventilation.
More chance of infection using any form of public transport to or from the airport than on the actual aircraft.
PCR tests cost $138 in NZ, RATs probably $20 - before the logistics. It’s simply not workable nor needed.
Having said that, I fully support the Air NZ approach. Proportionate and workable.
More chance of infection using any form of public transport to or from the airport than on the actual aircraft.
PCR tests cost $138 in NZ, RATs probably $20 - before the logistics. It’s simply not workable nor needed.
Having said that, I fully support the Air NZ approach. Proportionate and workable.
Cheers
WLGNZ
Nov 8, 2021, 11:20 pm
#18
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Especially in comparison to the efforts to have a watertight verification for vaccination status.
What am I missing here??
Nov 9, 2021, 1:04 am
#19
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Always remembering that a negative test 72 hours ago does not mean that someone is Covid-free today. And the rapid antigen tests are not very sensitive. The only reasonably safe option is to not allow unvaccinated on planes.
Nov 9, 2021, 11:38 am
#21
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But vaccinated people can and do both catch Covid and spread it. While I fully support the Air NZ policy you can however easily argue the anti vaxxers who have taken a test the day before to travel are actually the safe people to sit next to..
Nov 9, 2021, 12:39 pm
#22
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And as long as everyone is masked you're fine on a flight anyway.
Nov 9, 2021, 1:39 pm
#23
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The $138 is the cost for a DHB to process the test. Whether or not an individual gets charges is somewhat of a moot point. To test everyAir NZ passenger would cost more than $1B a year.
Nov 9, 2021, 1:42 pm
#24
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Yes, that's correct. The 2 infected passengers were infected by 2 other passengers who came from Switzerland. The view of the investigators was that occurred in the KL transit given the lack of ventilation / passenger movement.
Nov 9, 2021, 5:00 pm
#25
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https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/23-...-transmission/
Many of these seemed to be ignorant (probably because of their lack of actual knowledge of aircraft) of the fact the APU being switched off for ~30 mins on the ground at KL while passengers were all on board is a pretty significant event and meant that there would have been no air circulation in the cabin which offered the perfect scenario for spread.
Nov 9, 2021, 11:21 pm
#27
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To add this to today the govt doesn't seem that keen on people being able to get a free test for travel.
I'll just sit over here with my popcorn..
I'll just sit over here with my popcorn..
Nov 9, 2021, 11:22 pm
#28
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Which could be done on day of departure at major airports. The 72hr thing is an joke, the amount of changes you have of catching covid in 72hrs In Auckland is pretty high if your not vaccinated.
Nov 10, 2021, 2:13 am
#29
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On an individual basis and in situations where there is unknown or unrestricted community transmission, which is what NZ is assuming, the unvacc'd only have a snapshot of time at (say) T-72. It tells you nothing about them now, at the time of flight and just after. There remains a MUCH higher chances of subsequent infection AND of being infectious during and after the flight compared to the vacc'd people: The chance of the vacc'd vs the unvacc'd being infected and infectious from T-72 to flight time and after is still lower for the vaccinated and that's what you should be considering when thinking about who you want to sit next to.
Stats and epidemiology are fun!
Nov 10, 2021, 10:53 am
#30
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Surely an Rapid Antigen Test, is an much cheaper way to test domestic passengers with our symptoms for the next few months. Which the cost be passed onto the passenger.
Which could be done on day of departure at major airports. The 72hr thing is an joke, the amount of changes you have of catching covid in 72hrs In Auckland is pretty high if your not vaccinated.
Which could be done on day of departure at major airports. The 72hr thing is an joke, the amount of changes you have of catching covid in 72hrs In Auckland is pretty high if your not vaccinated.