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Domestic fully vaccinated or test required mid December

Old Nov 8, 2021, 8:37 pm
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Originally Posted by LYuen
The wording on AirNZ's website is

So T72 and will likely accept the result for the free testing stations e.g. pop up and drive-throughs.
A good thing actually. 1. It is free. 2. We want test numbers and results from those stations are linked to DHB's database (NHI number)

Thanks for that info Was going to have a proper sit down tonight and figure it out.
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Old Nov 8, 2021, 9:19 pm
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Originally Posted by SqKiwi
Such a fear of COVID in NZ. The risk of catching it on a plane is so remote, it’s negligible. Of the close to 200,000 MIQ returnees, only 2 have caught it on the plane - both unvaccinated - on EK 448 one of the longest flights in the world. It’s thought that transmission occurred during the KL transit when there was passenger movement and limited ventilation.
More chance of infection using any form of public transport to or from the airport than on the actual aircraft.
PCR tests cost $138 in NZ, RATs probably $20 - before the logistics. It’s simply not workable nor needed.
Having said that, I fully support the Air NZ approach. Proportionate and workable.
I came back on EK448 recently and no one going to NZ gets off the plane in KL. So I suggest catching it in transit in KL is not likely.
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Old Nov 8, 2021, 11:20 pm
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Originally Posted by LYuen
The wording on AirNZ's website is

Quote:
A negative COVID-19 test result, taken within 72 hours of your departing flight. This can be in the form of a text message or a letter from a medical professional.
A text message seems a very low bar indeed to set for ensuring the covid test is not faked.

Especially in comparison to the efforts to have a watertight verification for vaccination status.

What am I missing here??
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Old Nov 9, 2021, 1:04 am
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Always remembering that a negative test 72 hours ago does not mean that someone is Covid-free today. And the rapid antigen tests are not very sensitive. The only reasonably safe option is to not allow unvaccinated on planes.
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Old Nov 9, 2021, 11:16 am
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Just thinking about the traffic light rules. Would the longues count as hospitality venues, so if they want more than 100 inside will they require certificates for those?
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Old Nov 9, 2021, 11:38 am
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Originally Posted by edmm
Always remembering that a negative test 72 hours ago does not mean that someone is Covid-free today. And the rapid antigen tests are not very sensitive. The only reasonably safe option is to not allow unvaccinated on planes.
But vaccinated people can and do both catch Covid and spread it. While I fully support the Air NZ policy you can however easily argue the anti vaxxers who have taken a test the day before to travel are actually the safe people to sit next to..
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Old Nov 9, 2021, 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by sbiddle
But vaccinated people can and do both catch Covid and spread it. While I fully support the Air NZ policy you can however easily argue the anti vaxxers who have taken a test the day before to travel are actually the safe people to sit next to..
This.

And as long as everyone is masked you're fine on a flight anyway.
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Old Nov 9, 2021, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by LYuen
The wording on AirNZ's website is

So T72 and will likely accept the result for the free testing stations e.g. pop up and drive-throughs.
A good thing actually. 1. It is free. 2. We want test numbers and results from those stations are linked to DHB's database (NHI number)
The $138 is the cost for a DHB to process the test. Whether or not an individual gets charges is somewhat of a moot point. To test everyAir NZ passenger would cost more than $1B a year.
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Old Nov 9, 2021, 1:42 pm
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Yes, that's correct. The 2 infected passengers were infected by 2 other passengers who came from Switzerland. The view of the investigators was that occurred in the KL transit given the lack of ventilation / passenger movement.
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Old Nov 9, 2021, 5:00 pm
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Originally Posted by SqKiwi
Yes, that's correct. The 2 infected passengers were infected by 2 other passengers who came from Switzerland. The view of the investigators was that occurred in the KL transit given the lack of ventilation / passenger movement.
A huge amount was written about this incl multiple NZ media articles and some NZ "experts" who conveniently reached the conclusion they wanted to reach.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/23-...-transmission/

Many of these seemed to be ignorant (probably because of their lack of actual knowledge of aircraft) of the fact the APU being switched off for ~30 mins on the ground at KL while passengers were all on board is a pretty significant event and meant that there would have been no air circulation in the cabin which offered the perfect scenario for spread.



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Old Nov 9, 2021, 9:04 pm
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Labtests in AKL have such a convoluted testing/reporting process I would not be wanting to be replying on them.
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Old Nov 9, 2021, 11:21 pm
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To add this to today the govt doesn't seem that keen on people being able to get a free test for travel.

I'll just sit over here with my popcorn..
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Old Nov 9, 2021, 11:22 pm
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Originally Posted by SqKiwi
The $138 is the cost for a DHB to process the test. Whether or not an individual gets charges is somewhat of a moot point. To test everyAir NZ passenger would cost more than $1B a year.
Surely an Rapid Antigen Test, is an much cheaper way to test domestic passengers with our symptoms for the next few months. Which the cost be passed onto the passenger.

Which could be done on day of departure at major airports. The 72hr thing is an joke, the amount of changes you have of catching covid in 72hrs In Auckland is pretty high if your not vaccinated.
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Old Nov 10, 2021, 2:13 am
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Originally Posted by sbiddle
But vaccinated people can and do both catch Covid and spread it. While I fully support the Air NZ policy you can however easily argue the anti vaxxers who have taken a test the day before to travel are actually the safe people to sit next to..
Nope. Not quite.

On an individual basis and in situations where there is unknown or unrestricted community transmission, which is what NZ is assuming, the unvacc'd only have a snapshot of time at (say) T-72. It tells you nothing about them now, at the time of flight and just after. There remains a MUCH higher chances of subsequent infection AND of being infectious during and after the flight compared to the vacc'd people: The chance of the vacc'd vs the unvacc'd being infected and infectious from T-72 to flight time and after is still lower for the vaccinated and that's what you should be considering when thinking about who you want to sit next to.

Stats and epidemiology are fun!
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Old Nov 10, 2021, 10:53 am
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Originally Posted by cavemanzk
Surely an Rapid Antigen Test, is an much cheaper way to test domestic passengers with our symptoms for the next few months. Which the cost be passed onto the passenger.

Which could be done on day of departure at major airports. The 72hr thing is an joke, the amount of changes you have of catching covid in 72hrs In Auckland is pretty high if your not vaccinated.
They're banned for private use in NZ by the Govt except for use by a small number of approved companies.
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