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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by wuzziduzziman
Means your last invoice run was in April - that's unfortunate. Mine is on the 23rd of the month, so last month I still got level miles for AF/KL purchases, which were properly converted to XP's.
I would have tried to ask them to grant and convert your eligible purchases until 31/3, as this was the official last day of the old scheme. It appears that FB does the same with flights taken end of March and posting only in April (with new = less XP earnings).
It's a similar issue and FB is liable rather than AMEX, so you should try at least to get your XP's for March.
I have 6000 euro spend on Klm tickets in end March and these will be in the invoice of April. I’m missing 45XP because of this :-(
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by brunos
I thought that AF also charged YQ on its own award. Am I mistaken?
No YQ/ YR on award tickets if the flights are within Europe.
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 11:13 am
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Originally Posted by sharonchan813

I have 6000 euro spend on Klm tickets in end March and these will be in the invoice of April. I’m missing 45XP because of this :-(
best to talk to Air France / KLM about this and see if you can get that rectified.
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by sharonchan813

I have 6000 euro spend on Klm tickets in end March and these will be in the invoice of April. I’m missing 45XP because of this :-(
Should have bought them in March!

You can't be missing XPs because it was publicised in advance that there would be no XPs accruing to Amex spend. The best you could have hoped for was Level Miles ,which would only have been awarded for the last time for your March statement

Originally Posted by caliform
best to talk to Air France / KLM about this and see if you can get that rectified.
Amex would be the ones to talk to there, as it is their card and their policies. Not that I think they will do anything. But ring them up and tell them you want to cancel the card - see if they make a gesture to keep your business. If not, ditch the card. Most Amex holders will probably be doing that in the coming months. I know I will!
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 1:11 pm
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[QUOTE=irishguy28;29606462]Should have bought them in March!

You can't be missing XPs because it was publicised in advance that there would be no XPs accruing to Amex spend. The best you could have hoped for was Level Miles ,which would only have been awarded for the last time for your March statement[QUOTE]

OP bought them in March, but obviously after the monthly AMEX invoice run date and that took him to April. As far as I'm concerned he should insist on receiving level miles for his March purchases, which should then be transferred to XP's using the known formula.
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 1:23 pm
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Long time leecher, first time poster. Thanks all for sharing and caring, truly enjoy reading the forum and now more active participating.

Have been qualifying the last 5 years relatively easily with KLM by making a minimum of 30 legs. Simple calculation tells me I now require 36 legs, which feels like a quite big increase in qualification requirement. Also cancelled my KLM AMEX Gold Card due to the FB program changes, including the change in baggage allowance from 2 suitcases on intra-EU flights to just one suitcase for Gold members.

Would be nice to hear when others have received their new plastic FB card, still needed in some more exotic locations as proof for lounge access (like TNR).
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 8:29 pm
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Got my first post-April1st XP points. A class CDG-SFO ($1000 return), upgraded to J with miles. Got a measly 2159 miles from that, compared to an SFO-SIN days before April1st which brought in 9000 mi. This is very disappointing.
If you include the fact that I'm based in the US and that Delta flights will only bring 2XP, that makes FlyingBlue certainly not really interesting anymore for me. I will probably switch to AA next year.

Only good news is that XP have been counted as Business, so brought in 36XP.
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 9:24 pm
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I've been travelling on VN lately. Now waiting for my first flights to credit to FB.
Since booking classes don't matter anymore, all economy classes basically earns 2XP for domestic regardless of distance.
I can't find where it explicitly says that non-miles-earning booking classes also cannot earn XPs. It has been discussed earlier in this thread and likely presumed quite extensively, but considering the change in program rules and structure, is this still true?

And what I'm confused is that for ST partners, is the earning of miles also calculated based on Euro spending?
So if I bought a US$80 VN ticket, I get 65EUR worth on miles multiplied by the % earning for the booking class (for example, Q-class on VN = 65EUR x 8milesPlat x 25%Q-class?
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 11:47 pm
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Originally Posted by azpyre
I can't find where it explicitly says that non-miles-earning booking classes also cannot earn XPs. It has been discussed earlier in this thread and likely presumed quite extensively, but considering the change in program rules and structure, is this still true?
Very very likely. Why would this count for XPs? In the old system, a non-miles-earning ticket was not giving you a qualifying segment.

Originally Posted by azpyre
And what I'm confused is that for ST partners, is the earning of miles also calculated based on Euro spending?
No. if booked under non AFKL codes, the old system applies (based on distance and fare class). If booked under AFKL codes, the new rules apply.
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Old Apr 6, 2018, 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by jejenone
Got my first post-April1st XP points. A class CDG-SFO ($1000 return), upgraded to J with miles. Got a measly 2159 miles from that, compared to an SFO-SIN days before April1st which brought in 9000 mi. This is very disappointing.
This is correct. I used to get 20k+ award miles flying CDG-SIN-CDG or AMS-SIN-AMS, now probably only about 5k (although I haven't tried since April 1st).
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Old Apr 6, 2018, 3:02 am
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Originally Posted by azpyre
Since booking classes don't matter anymore, all economy classes basically earns 2XP for domestic regardless of distance.
They most certainly DO matter.

When you are flying on partners (i.e. not AF and KL) everything depends on the booking class, just as it always did.

Originally Posted by azpyre
I can't find where it explicitly says that non-miles-earning booking classes also cannot earn XPs. It has been discussed earlier in this thread and likely presumed quite extensively, but considering the change in program rules and structure, is this still true?
You must not have looked too hard, then See below.

Originally Posted by azpyre
And what I'm confused is that for ST partners, is the earning of miles also calculated based on Euro spending?
So if I bought a US$80 VN ticket, I get 65EUR worth on miles multiplied by the % earning for the booking class (for example, Q-class on VN = 65EUR x 8milesPlat x 25%Q-class?
No, no, no.

Earning miles on partners remains the same as it always was. Distance times earning percentage. As explained on the website, with several examples given!
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Old Apr 6, 2018, 4:22 am
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Earning miles on partners remains the same as it always was. Distance times earning percentage. As explained on the website, with several examples given!
Hence my upcoming eur900 business itinerary on Ch. Southern, which is going to earn me 114XP's end 29.000 miles. On KL that would be all of 7.200 miles!
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Old Apr 6, 2018, 4:54 am
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Originally Posted by sbams
Hence my upcoming eur900 business itinerary on Ch. Southern, which is going to earn me 114XP's end 29.000 miles. On KL that would be all of 7.200 miles!
Would that also work if you flew on KL metal but booked under a China Southern codeshare?
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Old Apr 6, 2018, 5:20 am
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Originally Posted by Mister Miles
Long time leecher, first time poster. Thanks all for sharing and caring, truly enjoy reading the forum and now more active participating.

Have been qualifying the last 5 years relatively easily with KLM by making a minimum of 30 legs. Simple calculation tells me I now require 36 legs, which feels like a quite big increase in qualification requirement. Also cancelled my KLM AMEX Gold Card due to the FB program changes, including the change in baggage allowance from 2 suitcases on intra-EU flights to just one suitcase for Gold members.

Would be nice to hear when others have received their new plastic FB card, still needed in some more exotic locations as proof for lounge access (like TNR).
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I'm pretty much in the same boat, I could push 30-32 a year and that was being creative but 36 looks like that step too far.I have Gold until March 2019 and after that I'll be flying based on price which BA appears cheaper from where I am based and my requirements (NCL). Status is getting more difficult to attain in every FF program and finding decent value redemption for miles are also difficult.
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Old Apr 6, 2018, 5:54 am
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Originally Posted by Solevita
Would that also work if you flew on KL metal but booked under a China Southern codeshare?
It seems so, as per the terms irishguy28 posted a few replies above.
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