Jan 31, 2024, 5:20 pm
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In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,Mexico City*, Sao Paulo and Dubai.
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
AF « La Première » Outlook
Mar 24, 2022, 6:04 pm
#991
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Singapore
Programs: FB PFL, ALL Diamond, Marriott Ambassador, EK PLAT, Air Caraïbes Diam, SQ PPS, ̷IHG Diam
Posts: 98
I would love to know if there is any intel on “service differentiation” by class of passenger. Like, do the cabin crew and lounge staff know if you have an award ticket, upgraded ticket or full fare ticket?
I remember the first time I flew P they knew that it was my first time without asking me. From trips in J I also know that they have info on your frequent flyer status.
For some reason I also believe that the level of “gift” you receive in the lounge is subject to what customer class you belong to. I have heard about full fare cash passengers receiving multiple items without asking.
What do you guys think? Is there a differentiation by “customer class” within La Première?
I remember the first time I flew P they knew that it was my first time without asking me. From trips in J I also know that they have info on your frequent flyer status.
For some reason I also believe that the level of “gift” you receive in the lounge is subject to what customer class you belong to. I have heard about full fare cash passengers receiving multiple items without asking.
What do you guys think? Is there a differentiation by “customer class” within La Première?
Mar 24, 2022, 6:19 pm
#992
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Paris and around the WW
Programs: AF/KLM Club2000 Ultimate / M&M HON Circle / ALL Diamond / Hertz President Circle
Posts: 1,040
What I observed is that P paid PAX are asked first when it comes to food selection on board to make sure they get the dish they want .
Upgraded PAX from J to P at boarding gate are coming at the last .it’s not a golden rule but just based on historical observations
They are not entitle to private escort at arrival .
Upgraded PAX from J to P at boarding gate are coming at the last .it’s not a golden rule but just based on historical observations
They are not entitle to private escort at arrival .
And as a C2000 Ulti, I am always asked first to choose lunch or dinner
Regarding gifts in the lounge, it's only based on what you ask. On my > 20 flights in P, the few times I received some goodies, i asked for them upfront
Mar 27, 2022, 1:30 am
#993
Join Date: Mar 2018
Programs: DL DM, FB Gold
Posts: 296
Wow that is a lot. What is this info supposed to be good for though? Is it only the order of meal choices?
Mar 27, 2022, 2:45 am
#994
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: PAR, TYO, SEL, SIN, SYD
Programs: AF/KLM Platinum Ultimate, VA Velocity Platinum, ALL Platinum
Posts: 716
Stupid question, but would it make sense to have a sticky with the current LP destinations? Trying to find out which airports are currently served by LP to offer a gift, and appart from LAX/SFO/MEX/DXB/JFK that I'm aware of, I was wondering if there were (as of today) other LP destinations currently serviced by AF?
Mar 27, 2022, 6:24 am
#995
Join Date: Apr 2010
Programs: FB Platinum, AA Plat/2MM, SPG Plat/LT Gold
Posts: 379
My first trip in LP…
Departure JFK - used the VIP lane (as a note, this is only available until 6PM) and was whisked through with the assistance of the most lovely LP team member. I was the only P pax on my flight, so had the P lounge and cabin to myself, which added a little extra magic. The Laurent Perrier rosé in the lounge, was icy cold and a lovely way to kick off the adventure.
I usually do not take the meal on overnights, but did have some champagne (Pommery Cuvée Louise 2004) and cheese. I did not realize there was no caviar eastbound. Not a big deal, but had been looking forward to it.
Arrival CDG - car waiting on the tarmac. Escorted through the J cabin to exit, which felt slightly awkward as they held the other pax back. Whisked through immigration and to the waiting car. Lovely driver, clean car (Mercedes sedan) and easy ride into Paris at that hour.
Departure CDG - a couple of “glitches” on the pre-departure:
Lounge CDG - OMG. Early flight, so the lounge was not busy. The team here is stellar. No detail too small. My œufs brouillés were perfectly cooked, on par with those at Le Meurice or the Ritz. During the pre-departure formalities I had been asked whether I wanted to take the car or walk to the gate (as with the car, there would be stairs and they could not promise to help with my bags on the stairs.) Later, an LP team member in the Lounge said “of course we will take your bags on the stairs, you have to take the car!” As it turned out, there were no stairs, but his kindness on this was one the many niceties throughout. Will definitely leave for CDG earlier next trip to have a little more lounge time.
One note - I had seen in reviews and posts here that there were upgraded champagnes to be had (e.g. Krug) however was told there were none, only VC rosé and BdR. Went with the VC rosé.
In-flight - full cabin, 3 pax, 1 AF employee. I have a specific food allergy and they were unable to inform me of the allergens in the various dishes, so stuck to the safe choices - caviar, champagne (again the Cuvée Louise 2004) salad & cheese. Next time I would ask beforehand for details on the allergens to enjoy a cooked entrée. (I do not order allergy specific meals as they are usually terrible and prefer not to create waste, but maybe should try once for LP. ☺️) To this end, the FA brought me various snacks and juices to try to work around the allergy. These touches mean a lot.
Arrival JFK - Greeted at the plane door, by yet another fabulous LP team member, who walked me through immigration (and as this was my first trip in some time, was helpful with the new GE method) waited 10-15 minutes or so for bags (first off after crew bags) and then waited with me until the Uber arrived.
Tl;dr - there are not enough superlatives for the LP teams both on the ground and in-flight, JFK and CDG. Utmost kindness from every corner. I will float on the memories of the experience for some time. And many thanks to everyone here who’s posted their LP details, all this info added to the experience.
Departure JFK - used the VIP lane (as a note, this is only available until 6PM) and was whisked through with the assistance of the most lovely LP team member. I was the only P pax on my flight, so had the P lounge and cabin to myself, which added a little extra magic. The Laurent Perrier rosé in the lounge, was icy cold and a lovely way to kick off the adventure.
I usually do not take the meal on overnights, but did have some champagne (Pommery Cuvée Louise 2004) and cheese. I did not realize there was no caviar eastbound. Not a big deal, but had been looking forward to it.
Arrival CDG - car waiting on the tarmac. Escorted through the J cabin to exit, which felt slightly awkward as they held the other pax back. Whisked through immigration and to the waiting car. Lovely driver, clean car (Mercedes sedan) and easy ride into Paris at that hour.
Departure CDG - a couple of “glitches” on the pre-departure:
- Ready to Fly - Had a concern on the paperwork for my eMed/BinaxNow test which showed the time in UTC so the date was “incorrect.” Did not hear from RTF, even after reaching out to the LP line, so retested locally at 6PM to make sure there were no issues. A little unnecessary stress. Would be a nice touch to prioritize the RTF response for LP pax.
- Hertz DriveU - Driver wore a vented mask and took a very long (and unfamiliar) route out of Paris. Perhaps does not seem like a big deal, however as a solo traveler whose cell phone service was nonexistent at the time, stressful.
Lounge CDG - OMG. Early flight, so the lounge was not busy. The team here is stellar. No detail too small. My œufs brouillés were perfectly cooked, on par with those at Le Meurice or the Ritz. During the pre-departure formalities I had been asked whether I wanted to take the car or walk to the gate (as with the car, there would be stairs and they could not promise to help with my bags on the stairs.) Later, an LP team member in the Lounge said “of course we will take your bags on the stairs, you have to take the car!” As it turned out, there were no stairs, but his kindness on this was one the many niceties throughout. Will definitely leave for CDG earlier next trip to have a little more lounge time.
One note - I had seen in reviews and posts here that there were upgraded champagnes to be had (e.g. Krug) however was told there were none, only VC rosé and BdR. Went with the VC rosé.
In-flight - full cabin, 3 pax, 1 AF employee. I have a specific food allergy and they were unable to inform me of the allergens in the various dishes, so stuck to the safe choices - caviar, champagne (again the Cuvée Louise 2004) salad & cheese. Next time I would ask beforehand for details on the allergens to enjoy a cooked entrée. (I do not order allergy specific meals as they are usually terrible and prefer not to create waste, but maybe should try once for LP. ☺️) To this end, the FA brought me various snacks and juices to try to work around the allergy. These touches mean a lot.
Arrival JFK - Greeted at the plane door, by yet another fabulous LP team member, who walked me through immigration (and as this was my first trip in some time, was helpful with the new GE method) waited 10-15 minutes or so for bags (first off after crew bags) and then waited with me until the Uber arrived.
Tl;dr - there are not enough superlatives for the LP teams both on the ground and in-flight, JFK and CDG. Utmost kindness from every corner. I will float on the memories of the experience for some time. And many thanks to everyone here who’s posted their LP details, all this info added to the experience.
Last edited by miles4CDG; Mar 27, 2022 at 8:09 am
Mar 27, 2022, 8:28 pm
#996
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 27,234
Arrival JFK - Greeted at the plane door, by yet another fabulous LP team member, who walked me through immigration (and as this was my first trip in some time, was helpful with the new GE method) waited 10-15 minutes or so for bags (first off after crew bags) and then waited with me until the Uber arrived.
Mar 28, 2022, 12:27 am
#997
Join Date: Apr 2010
Programs: FB Platinum, AA Plat/2MM, SPG Plat/LT Gold
Posts: 379
With a full cabin (less the one employee), were there three different escorts who met you at the plane door? When I arrived in JFK (paid ticket in F class) in a cabin with 3 pax a few years ago, I "shared" one of the escorts with one other pax who also had a checked bag (IIRC, the 3rd pax had carry-on only and had a different escort). But basically I was ignored while the escort and the other pax conversed in French like old friends while we walked toward immigration. I went to go through Global Entry anyway and then I just felt weird about meeting up with the escort and the other pax when they got to the baggage claim while we waited for bags. Like what was I supposed to have the escort do for me at that point? Left a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth at the end of the trip.
Mar 28, 2022, 7:35 am
#998
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Programs: AA Million Miler, Mosaic, Delta Platinum
Posts: 1,561
With a full cabin (less the one employee), were there three different escorts who met you at the plane door? When I arrived in JFK (paid ticket in F class) in a cabin with 3 pax a few years ago, I "shared" one of the escorts with one other pax who also had a checked bag (IIRC, the 3rd pax had carry-on only and had a different escort). But basically I was ignored while the escort and the other pax conversed in French like old friends while we walked toward immigration. I went to go through Global Entry anyway and then I just felt weird about meeting up with the escort and the other pax when they got to the baggage claim while we waited for bags. Like what was I supposed to have the escort do for me at that point? Left a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth at the end of the trip.
Mar 28, 2022, 1:14 pm
#999
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 27,234
Well yeah, I haven't lost much sleep over it, lol. It was just a little odd of an experience. I suppose if I was getting into an AF-procured car service it might make more sense, but that wasn't being offered at the time.
Mar 28, 2022, 2:22 pm
#1000
Join Date: Mar 2018
Programs: DL DM, FB Gold
Posts: 296
Great picture, great you enjoyed the experience. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how they do the caviar in quenelle? Other carriers just lump it onto the plate from a larger tin, or you get an individual serving you open yourself. I think the quenelle is the most chic version, but I can't figure out how it stays that shape as caviar is quite malleable. Is it pre-formed on the ground and loaded in quenelle shaped moulds, then released by the crew onto the plate?
Apr 5, 2022, 1:49 pm
#1001
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: New York NY
Posts: 134
Le P HERTZ Drive U
Last September the Hertz Drive U service cancelled at the last minute - got an Uber to JFK. Informed staff there. Hesitate to try again though it is a substantial savings over Empire CLS or a hotel provided driver - has anyone else had issues with this service?
Apr 5, 2022, 3:31 pm
#1002
Join Date: Apr 2010
Programs: FB Platinum, AA Plat/2MM, SPG Plat/LT Gold
Posts: 379
There is currently no AF-provided transfer to/from JFK. From their emails on my recent trip, it sounds like they are looking for a new provider.
Apr 5, 2022, 4:16 pm
#1003
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NYC -- UA 1K; SPG Platinum; HH Diamond.
Posts: 2,920
Apr 6, 2022, 2:35 pm
#1004
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 27,234
But for as many as 3-4 daily flights with F, both inbound and outbound pax = up to 32 rides/day. Probably not so easy to get guaranteed quality service.
Apr 7, 2022, 10:35 am
#1005
Join Date: May 2021
Programs: Flying Blue Gold, BA Bronze, Ex-skywards Platnium
Posts: 646
This sounds amazing. I keep reading this forum to see what the experience is like because I'm a LP "virgin" and I'll be flying it in May. Just out of curiosity, what are some of the gifts they give out at the lounge?