Jan 31, 2024, 5:20 pm
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In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,Mexico City*, Sao Paulo and Dubai.
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
AF « La Première » Outlook
Feb 8, 2022, 1:42 am
#931
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Paris and around the WW
Programs: AF/KLM Club2000 Ultimate / M&M HON Circle / ALL Diamond / Hertz President Circle
Posts: 1,040
that’s what I thought, I know Air France ain’t cheap like BA with their Flub. At the end after calculation, I’m taking 55k mile J with AF directly to LAX. Load is so far 1/4 so curious although I might even deny some good proposal, as 8 hours after landing I’ll start 31 hours in NH F 🥵
but, why would they send this configuration and not even try to sell P?
but, why would they send this configuration and not even try to sell P?
Last minute plane change and J seat reallocation with my wife.
P cabin was not available as no P food loaded, no ground service on departure and especially, no P dedicated crew.
After a nice chat with chief purser, we ended up both of us in P after take off but it was clearly an exceptional nice move from Captain that allowed us to stay there 😉
Feb 8, 2022, 6:01 am
#932
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,949
Feb 8, 2022, 6:11 am
#933
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Paris and around the WW
Programs: AF/KLM Club2000 Ultimate / M&M HON Circle / ALL Diamond / Hertz President Circle
Posts: 1,040
I doubt P line would open it for sale but it's definitely worth asking
Feb 8, 2022, 7:30 am
#934
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: HAG
Programs: Der 5* FTL
Posts: 8,109
It's a proper operational nightmare to open a class that is not normally sold on a specific flight. There's too much extra stuff that would have to be done that is not planned for.
An alternative would be to allow seating in P with J service, as mentioned. LH tends to do that if an F equipped plane is sent on a J only route for example.
There are two chief reasons why you would not decide to do that -
1. Commercial. AF is holding P in a higher regard of exclusivity to LH. See also - F ground service for HON as opposed to Ulti.
2. Staffing. If P cabin is closed, you don't need CC stationed there. Either you can have less crew or there can be more appointed to J and Y. You also don't need CC trained in P product. Even if there is only J service, you need a CC that is knowledgeable of P hard product to be able to deal with e.g. seat issues, IFE issues etc.
An alternative would be to allow seating in P with J service, as mentioned. LH tends to do that if an F equipped plane is sent on a J only route for example.
There are two chief reasons why you would not decide to do that -
1. Commercial. AF is holding P in a higher regard of exclusivity to LH. See also - F ground service for HON as opposed to Ulti.
2. Staffing. If P cabin is closed, you don't need CC stationed there. Either you can have less crew or there can be more appointed to J and Y. You also don't need CC trained in P product. Even if there is only J service, you need a CC that is knowledgeable of P hard product to be able to deal with e.g. seat issues, IFE issues etc.
Feb 8, 2022, 8:49 am
#935
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Seat 1A, Juice pretty much everywhere, Mucci des Coins Exotiques
Posts: 34,339
I don't think that's a big issue. Back in the day with the older P seats, the BOM run used to have a large number of P seats that they always upgraded FB Platinum members to. But just J service. I took that flight many times. Probably as FP Rouge too.
Feb 8, 2022, 12:54 pm
#936
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: VIE/PRG
Programs: FB Platinum, Marriott Platinum Elite
Posts: 1,592
Yeah I wasn't asking for P lounge nor service, just J flight in P seat. Anyway, I am sorry I will not find out like I said I am taking direct to LAX. For what is worth, when I think about it, I can't imagine a ground agent handling this. And on board, with AF crew, which some of them are excellent - then I'd say the would have Plats and above seated there but also I can see some of the crew saying direct no. Pure luck.
Feb 9, 2022, 1:58 am
#937
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,051
Yeah I wasn't asking for P lounge nor service, just J flight in P seat. Anyway, I am sorry I will not find out like I said I am taking direct to LAX. For what is worth, when I think about it, I can't imagine a ground agent handling this. And on board, with AF crew, which some of them are excellent - then I'd say the would have Plats and above seated there but also I can see some of the crew saying direct no. Pure luck.
AF Flights to/from LAX in P are very regularly full, and this route is one of the most profitable LP one .
AF is lacking of P seats for this destination since the removal of the A380.
I would find bizarre that AF is not selling its LP product on this route if the metal is equipped with this cabin.
Out of curiosity, which flight bounded to LAX is operated in 4 classes 77W but without LP bucket fare ?
Feb 9, 2022, 3:18 am
#938
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: HAG
Programs: Der 5* FTL
Posts: 8,109
Hi 747jetter ,
AF Flights to/from LAX in P are very regularly full, and this route is one of the most profitable LP one .
AF is lacking of P seats for this destination since the removal of the A380.
I would find bizarre that AF is not selling its LP product on this route if the metal is equipped with this cabin.
Out of curiosity, which flight bounded to LAX is operated in 4 classes 77W but without LP bucket fare ?
AF Flights to/from LAX in P are very regularly full, and this route is one of the most profitable LP one .
AF is lacking of P seats for this destination since the removal of the A380.
I would find bizarre that AF is not selling its LP product on this route if the metal is equipped with this cabin.
Out of curiosity, which flight bounded to LAX is operated in 4 classes 77W but without LP bucket fare ?
Feb 12, 2022, 8:58 am
#940
Join Date: Sep 2016
Programs: FB Platinum, SAS Gold , HH Diamond
Posts: 152
I haven’t found a thread about the la premiere reviews, so here is my one.
Was the first time I flew it and was kind of disappointed.
The positiv things: The service was great. Nothing better then being escorted all the time and drive some BMW. And the suites in the 777 are really great.
I was though kind of shocked though about the maintenance of the cabin. Some silicone was hanging down, the color was peeled of on many surfaces. Nothing hard to fix, but I expected excellence. No warm nuts and only 2 hot towels in 12 hours.
The food was also not on star level (Lounge and aircraft), though I am not a foodie
. I have eaten better in normal restaurants.
Was the first time I flew it and was kind of disappointed.
The positiv things: The service was great. Nothing better then being escorted all the time and drive some BMW. And the suites in the 777 are really great.
I was though kind of shocked though about the maintenance of the cabin. Some silicone was hanging down, the color was peeled of on many surfaces. Nothing hard to fix, but I expected excellence. No warm nuts and only 2 hot towels in 12 hours.
The food was also not on star level (Lounge and aircraft), though I am not a foodie
. I have eaten better in normal restaurants.
Feb 12, 2022, 9:10 am
#941
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: VIE/PRG
Programs: FB Platinum, Marriott Platinum Elite
Posts: 1,592
I haven’t found a thread about the la premiere reviews, so here is my one.
Was the first time I flew it and was kind of disappointed.
The positiv things: The service was great. Nothing better then being escorted all the time and drive some BMW. And the suites in the 777 are really great.
I was though kind of shocked though about the maintenance of the cabin. Some silicone was hanging down, the color was peeled of on many surfaces. Nothing hard to fix, but I expected excellence. No warm nuts and only 2 hot towels in 12 hours.
The food was also not on star level (Lounge and aircraft), though I am not a foodie . I have eaten better in normal restaurants.
Was the first time I flew it and was kind of disappointed.
The positiv things: The service was great. Nothing better then being escorted all the time and drive some BMW. And the suites in the 777 are really great.
I was though kind of shocked though about the maintenance of the cabin. Some silicone was hanging down, the color was peeled of on many surfaces. Nothing hard to fix, but I expected excellence. No warm nuts and only 2 hot towels in 12 hours.
The food was also not on star level (Lounge and aircraft), though I am not a foodie
. I have eaten better in normal restaurants.
Feb 14, 2022, 11:53 am
#942
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: NYC
Programs: AA ExecPlat; AF Gold; UA GS; Hyatt L. Globalist; Marriott Plat; Hilton Diamond; National EE
Posts: 6,169
I did not have any maintenance issues with the seat on my flight in December or my flight in January. I will say that the tailcam view was not available for my Dec flight but it worked fine for my flight in Jan. This was the only hardware issue.
The inflight food wasn't great. Good thing we had access to food on the ground, esp at the CDG lounge.
The inflight food wasn't great. Good thing we had access to food on the ground, esp at the CDG lounge.
Last edited by Buster CT1K; Feb 14, 2022 at 12:39 pm
Feb 16, 2022, 6:10 pm
#943
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: DFW
Posts: 131
Feb 18, 2022, 10:49 pm
#945
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Singapore
Programs: FB PFL, ALL Diamond, Marriott Ambassador, EK PLAT, Air Caraïbes Diam, SQ PPS, ̷IHG Diam
Posts: 98
We will see whether it is the beginning of the end for AF La Premiere, or just AF reducing even more its capacity and dedicating La Premiere to a very limited number of destinations.
Anyway I think that more than ever I will fly SQ and EK on this route ( outbound for me).