"HOP!" will be new name of merged AF regional airlines
Mar 8, 2013, 1:14 am
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I know (and thanks BTW for recalling these figures 
), but the information you posted from AF French TA portal suggests that Airlinair will still have a IATA code (AN), different from the HOP! one (A5). So, my question was in fact : will there still be specific (non-HOP) Airlinair flights ?
It was my understanding that the 3 airlines (YS/DB/current A5) were all merged in one called HOP keeping the ex-Airlinair code (A5) and operating all their flights under the HOP! brand ex-ORY or ex-province, or in franchise for AF ex-CDG ?
), but the information you posted from AF French TA portal suggests that Airlinair will still have a IATA code (AN), different from the HOP! one (A5). So, my question was in fact : will there still be specific (non-HOP) Airlinair flights ?It was my understanding that the 3 airlines (YS/DB/current A5) were all merged in one called HOP keeping the ex-Airlinair code (A5) and operating all their flights under the HOP! brand ex-ORY or ex-province, or in franchise for AF ex-CDG ?
Mar 8, 2013, 1:50 am
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Mar 8, 2013, 2:41 am
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DB*A5xxxx : for HOP! flights operated with Brit Air aircraft
YS*A5xxxx : for HOP! flights operated with Regional aircraft
AN*A5xxxx. : for HOP! flights operated with Airlinair aircraft
" A5xxxx" will no longer be displayed.
Mar 8, 2013, 3:14 am
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Mar 8, 2013, 4:15 am
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Mar 8, 2013, 5:41 am
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With HOP no longer being an AF franchise, is it part of Skyteam?
Also, the question about Airlinair's own flight is justified. The scenarios discussed so far in this thread are the following marketing, operating code, operating metal combos:
The case we have forgotten are flights for instance between Paris Orly and La Rochelle.
In the past those flights were: marketed and coded Airlinair, which was not a fully owned subsidiary of AF but also operated franchise flights for AF and also operated flights on its own behalf with planes owned by Chalair which was a franchisee of Airlinair.
What are those flights in the future? HOP (which is a fully...) or not HOP?
Woiuld be great if those flights were AF flights in a way, i.e. Chalair-for-Airlinair-for-Hop-for-AF-for-AFKL-for-Skyteam. Obviously the welcome announcement on board would be longer than the flight to LRH, but if in exchange they dropped their partners Hertz and the Accor hotel group I could live with it.
In other words: will I get Skyteam Elite+ treatment on flights to La Rochelle from Paris?
Also, the question about Airlinair's own flight is justified. The scenarios discussed so far in this thread are the following marketing, operating code, operating metal combos:
- Simply Air France
- HOP, a now full subsidiary of Air France but no longer an AF franchisee, but whose connecting flights can still be bought over the AF platform but not over the HOP platform, but whose direct flights cannot be bought over the AF platform but only through the HOP platform, using airplanes that belong to the subsidiary's subsidiaries BritAir and Regional, who are franchisees of HOP. I.e. Regional-for HOP
- HOP, a now full subsidiary of Air France but no longer an AF franchisee, operating flights on behalt of its now 100% parent which is no longer a franchiser but still sell HOP-operated flights under AF name and number, these flights can only be booked through the AF platform, and flights are operated by the subsidiaries of the subsidiary of a company which is the full owner but not a franchiser but code-sponsor of these planes. I. e. Regional-for HOP-for Air France
The case we have forgotten are flights for instance between Paris Orly and La Rochelle.
In the past those flights were: marketed and coded Airlinair, which was not a fully owned subsidiary of AF but also operated franchise flights for AF and also operated flights on its own behalf with planes owned by Chalair which was a franchisee of Airlinair.
What are those flights in the future? HOP (which is a fully...) or not HOP?
Woiuld be great if those flights were AF flights in a way, i.e. Chalair-for-Airlinair-for-Hop-for-AF-for-AFKL-for-Skyteam. Obviously the welcome announcement on board would be longer than the flight to LRH, but if in exchange they dropped their partners Hertz and the Accor hotel group I could live with it.
In other words: will I get Skyteam Elite+ treatment on flights to La Rochelle from Paris?
Mar 8, 2013, 7:07 am
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Mar 8, 2013, 9:56 am
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Like Goldorak I had wrongly understood that they were merging. So basically, what is happening is that before we had AF -> (DB, YS, and A5) [plus comparable service] and now we have AF -> A5 -> (DB, YS, AN) [plus differentiated services between AF and A5]! So instead of simplifying the whole point is to make things even more complex than before both in terms of administrative structure and service??
With HOP no longer being an AF franchise, is it part of Skyteam?
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With respect to earning status miles and segments, as discussed in previous threads:
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In other words: will I get Skyteam Elite+ treatment on flights to La Rochelle from Paris?
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Mar 9, 2013, 1:49 am
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Mar 11, 2013, 6:02 am
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Mar 11, 2013, 6:34 am
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Mar 11, 2013, 7:00 am
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Woiuld be great if those flights were AF flights in a way, i.e. Chalair-for-Airlinair-for-Hop-for-AF-for-AFKL-for-Skyteam. Obviously the welcome announcement on board would be longer than the flight to LRH, but if in exchange they dropped their partners Hertz and the Accor hotel group I could live with it.
The website did show Operated by Hop!
Mar 11, 2013, 1:38 pm
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Mar 11, 2013, 2:37 pm
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I've been told exactly what Jouy31 says, that is "fare eligible -> status miles".
Wait and see...