Aug 12, 2020, 12:02 am
Last edit by: Adam Smith
You must call in for stopovers, multi-city, or complicated routings, until the new booking system launches in 2021.
I hope others will significantly improve this wiki!
There are four zones: North America (inc Central), South America, Atlantic (including India and Western Russia), Pacific (inc Eastern Russia) and the chart is based which one you start from and which one you end up in, there's ten of these.
Cost is based on distance, which zone pair your flight is in, which class you are flying in.
Partner airlines (again) are a better deal because while Air Canada will calculate cost on a wide ranges but partner airlines are fixed to the bottom of the range.
YQ is eliminated. There's a 39 CAD fee for booking a ticket which contains a flight on a partner airline. Aside from this, there's no incentive any more to book a return flight it seems and every incentive not to.
Note: The partner booking fee is refundable, so it's basically a YQ, rather than a booking fee.
Most flights are devalued. However, the elimination of YQ sweetens this significantly. Within North America, a lot of flights became cheaper, YVR-HNL very significantly. YVR-TYO is much cheaper while YVR-AKL is a little cheaper.
A vastly more powerful booking system is promised for 2021.
There are a lot of new tricks to be learned. https://princeoftravel.com/blog/new-aeroplan-flight-rewards/ is a good start.
Information that is harder to find:
I hope others will significantly improve this wiki!
There are four zones: North America (inc Central), South America, Atlantic (including India and Western Russia), Pacific (inc Eastern Russia) and the chart is based which one you start from and which one you end up in, there's ten of these.
Cost is based on distance, which zone pair your flight is in, which class you are flying in.
Partner airlines (again) are a better deal because while Air Canada will calculate cost on a wide ranges but partner airlines are fixed to the bottom of the range.
YQ is eliminated. There's a 39 CAD fee for booking a ticket which contains a flight on a partner airline. Aside from this, there's no incentive any more to book a return flight it seems and every incentive not to.
Note: The partner booking fee is refundable, so it's basically a YQ, rather than a booking fee.
Most flights are devalued. However, the elimination of YQ sweetens this significantly. Within North America, a lot of flights became cheaper, YVR-HNL very significantly. YVR-TYO is much cheaper while YVR-AKL is a little cheaper.
A vastly more powerful booking system is promised for 2021.
There are a lot of new tricks to be learned. https://princeoftravel.com/blog/new-aeroplan-flight-rewards/ is a good start.
Information that is harder to find:
- SE IKK redemption from the old program can be changed ("within reason") without repricing. Dates, routings, no problem. Origin/destination should be fine. But nothing that would have required a repricing under the old program. This is from Mark Nasr in https://www.facebook.com/pointsmiles...44878252851420
- The "Activity" page only shows you the most recent ~48 transactions. See this post for information on how to get older data.
- A partial refund may not be possible (e.g. if you book RT and outbound flight is cancelled by you or AC, to delete the first flight segment, you have to cancel the entire ticket and rebook the inbound at a potentially higher fare. It seems supervisor can grant exceptions.)
2020 Air Canada Aeroplan Program
Oct 19, 2020, 10:52 pm
#631
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,084
Stop-over is 5K additional points under new system.
Carrier surcharges are replaced with a flat fee for booking any trip on partner airlines.
New system points requirement is based on total distance travel per direction. I suggest you look up the new chart and calculate the points requirement yourself.
Oct 20, 2020, 5:32 am
#632
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: YKZ
Programs: AC MM SE, Marriott Titanium - Lifetime Plat 2nd Class, National Executive, Avis PP
Posts: 682
I am looking at doing the same thing for an October trip (given that Aeroplan is no longer showing any EVA availability out of Japan to TPE). The 105K for F and 75K for J do not have a YQ scam charge at this point (Carrier surcharge from NGO-HND-ORD-YYZ is $1.32). Only the standard taxes exist ($90). Have not been able to find any availability on their new Business/First product unfortunately (only used on HND/NRT - JFK and no inventory on AP - shocker 
)
Good Luck with your trip.
CC
)Good Luck with your trip.
CC
Oct 20, 2020, 10:01 am
#633
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,946
Migration to new Aeroplan
Email received on migration:
Full details: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...migration.html
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Oct 20, 2020, 11:47 am
#634
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 155
I am looking at doing the same thing for an October trip (given that Aeroplan is no longer showing any EVA availability out of Japan to TPE). The 105K for F and 75K for J do not have a YQ scam charge at this point (Carrier surcharge from NGO-HND-ORD-YYZ is $1.32). Only the standard taxes exist ($90). Have not been able to find any availability on their new Business/First product unfortunately (only used on HND/NRT - JFK and no inventory on AP - shocker )
Good Luck with your trip.
CC
)Good Luck with your trip.
CC
Oct 20, 2020, 12:14 pm
#635
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: YQB
Programs: AC SE
Posts: 2,139
To build on a pet peeve of mine... Again, this email says that Select Privileges must be picked before October 31st but the website says October 31st is the final date to do so:
Which is it, AC??
Choosing your 2020 Altitude Select PrivilegesIf you reached Air Canada Altitude status and have yet to choose your Select Privileges for 2020, please note that the final date to do so is October 31, 2020. As in previous years, after that date, it will not be possible to make a selection.
For more on Select Privileges, visit the Air Canada Altitude website.
For more on Select Privileges, visit the Air Canada Altitude website.
Oct 20, 2020, 2:17 pm
#636
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: ZRH
Programs: AC SE 100K
Posts: 927
And - what about star alliance upgrade awards? I use those all the time. What does "Later in 2021" mean? To me that means in late 2021 - - as opposed to later . . . . around the beginning of 2021. Perhaps they have not yet figured out how to price those - - - !!! I need these too as I have a D-Class ticket on LX in December I wanted to upgrade - but the flight has not yet essentially been confirmed to it will be re-routed . .
Don't take too long on that one Air Canada!!!
Don't take too long on that one Air Canada!!!
Oct 20, 2020, 2:52 pm
#637
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,311
And - what about star alliance upgrade awards? I use those all the time. What does "Later in 2021" mean? To me that means in late 2021 - - as opposed to later . . . . around the beginning of 2021. Perhaps they have not yet figured out how to price those - - - !!! I need these too as I have a D-Class ticket on LX in December I wanted to upgrade - but the flight has not yet essentially been confirmed to it will be re-routed . .
Don't take too long on that one Air Canada!!!
Don't take too long on that one Air Canada!!!
Which is never available to Aeroplan redeemed?
Oct 20, 2020, 6:27 pm
#638
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 155
Does this mean if I want to transfer 60K marriott points to Aeroplan, I should do it ASAP?
Oct 20, 2020, 10:27 pm
#639
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vancouver, BC
Programs: Aeroplan 35K, Hertz Gold
Posts: 1,290
And - what about star alliance upgrade awards? I use those all the time. What does "Later in 2021" mean? To me that means in late 2021 - - as opposed to later . . . . around the beginning of 2021. Perhaps they have not yet figured out how to price those - - - !!! I need these too as I have a D-Class ticket on LX in December I wanted to upgrade - but the flight has not yet essentially been confirmed to it will be re-routed . .
Don't take too long on that one Air Canada!!!
Don't take too long on that one Air Canada!!!
Oct 20, 2020, 11:26 pm
#640
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 3
I also wanted to book JFK-HND on the new ANA J but couldn't find any inventory on AP, so for now I booked 2 in J for YYZ-YVR-HND-KIX on the "old" ANA J for May 2021 that I could cancel if better inventory shows up on the new AP to save on the extra miles and surcharges.
Oct 21, 2020, 5:40 am
#641
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 60
Stupid question, but will AMEX MR still transfer 1:1 after Nov 8th? Thinking of booking a ticket to YYZ-BOM in early Jan. Suggestions? Should I move 100K points over or wait till after Nov 8?
Oct 22, 2020, 8:27 am
#642
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 155
Keep in mind that AP awards can only be booked at most 355 days out, so you would need to complete your trip by end of October 2021 if you’re booking an award under the current AP rules. As someone already mentioned, it would be additional 5k miles for stopover and $39 partner surcharges after Nov. 8.
I also wanted to book JFK-HND on the new ANA J but couldn't find any inventory on AP, so for now I booked 2 in J for YYZ-YVR-HND-KIX on the "old" ANA J for May 2021 that I could cancel if better inventory shows up on the new AP to save on the extra miles and surcharges.
I also wanted to book JFK-HND on the new ANA J but couldn't find any inventory on AP, so for now I booked 2 in J for YYZ-YVR-HND-KIX on the "old" ANA J for May 2021 that I could cancel if better inventory shows up on the new AP to save on the extra miles and surcharges.
I booked, for now, outbound on ANA F from JFK-HND-PVG (taxes about $243 CAD) and inbound on EVA J, PVG-TPE-YYZ (taxes about $18 CAD) this is all first two weeks of Sept 2021 with ANA F on Aug. 31.
Both would have cost a lot more miles (given that I'm traveling to China) after Nov. 8. Just so happens I don't need to stopover in Japan (since I already am doing a trip to Japan in May 2021).
Last edited by SkyElite; Oct 22, 2020 at 8:37 am
Oct 22, 2020, 9:03 am
#643
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 201
I had a question re: the family sharing pool. I've read that redemptions would have points deducted proportionally from each account.
If a redemption required all of each members points (i.e. a 200k point redemption requiring 170k of my own and 30k of my family member's) would it just deduct from us both until it gets enough for the redemption?
Not sure if anyone knows the answer at this point
If a redemption required all of each members points (i.e. a 200k point redemption requiring 170k of my own and 30k of my family member's) would it just deduct from us both until it gets enough for the redemption?
Not sure if anyone knows the answer at this point
Oct 22, 2020, 9:34 am
#644
Join Date: Mar 2013
Programs: Aeroplan, Amex AeroPlat
Posts: 977
Keep in mind that AP awards can only be booked at most 355 days out, so you would need to complete your trip by end of October 2021 if you’re booking an award under the current AP rules. As someone already mentioned, it would be additional 5k miles for stopover and $39 partner surcharges after Nov. 8.
I also wanted to book JFK-HND on the new ANA J but couldn't find any inventory on AP, so for now I booked 2 in J for YYZ-YVR-HND-KIX on the "old" ANA J for May 2021 that I could cancel if better inventory shows up on the new AP to save on the extra miles and surcharges.
I also wanted to book JFK-HND on the new ANA J but couldn't find any inventory on AP, so for now I booked 2 in J for YYZ-YVR-HND-KIX on the "old" ANA J for May 2021 that I could cancel if better inventory shows up on the new AP to save on the extra miles and surcharges.
Oct 22, 2020, 9:45 am
#645
Suspended
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YYJ
Posts: 2,230
I had a question re: the family sharing pool. I've read that redemptions would have points deducted proportionally from each account.
If a redemption required all of each members points (i.e. a 200k point redemption requiring 170k of my own and 30k of my family member's) would it just deduct from us both until it gets enough for the redemption?
Not sure if anyone knows the answer at this point
If a redemption required all of each members points (i.e. a 200k point redemption requiring 170k of my own and 30k of my family member's) would it just deduct from us both until it gets enough for the redemption?
Not sure if anyone knows the answer at this point
edit to further clarify: if you had 170k points (68% of total) and a family member had 80k (32% of total) points and you redeem a 200k point ticket, then 136k (68% of cost) would be deducted from your points and 64k (32% of cost) from the other person in the pool.
Last edited by BenSenise; Oct 22, 2020 at 9:56 am Reason: to further clarify